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HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:48 pm
by Harkins
I've seen mention on social media that ZZ190 has run off the end of the runway. It was said the pilot was out and walking around the jet and that it was stuck in soft ground. Can anyone confirm if this is correct and add any more information? Be a pity if the jet is written off.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:33 pm
by slogen51
Apparently so
I saw ZZ190 fly two PD to Runway 23 at Marham this morning before heading back north hopefully not for the last time
I think the callsign was Javelin 93
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:51 pm
by Colin
This is correct the Jet is tangled up in the Barrier at the 16 End, so hopefully not too much damage done.
From the image I've seen it's difficult to see if it's off the runway.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:45 am
by Agent K
Colin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:51 pm
This is correct the Jet is tangled up in the Barrier at the 16 End, so hopefully not too much damage done.
From the image I've seen it's difficult to see if it's off the runway.
Just for clarity what do you mean the "16 end"?, as you know runways take the compass direction so in effect runway 16 has 2 ends! are you saying it was landing on runway 16, so it ended up at the south end of the runway? as I thought I saw it landing on 34 with a suggestion it took the net at the Northern end of the runway?
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:13 am
by POL
The "16 end" of 34/16 would be the northern end. I e. the end with 16 painted on it.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:21 am
by Colin
Agent K wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:45 am
Colin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2024 1:51 pm
This is correct the Jet is tangled up in the Barrier at the 16 End, so hopefully not too much damage done.
From the image I've seen it's difficult to see if it's off the runway.
Just for clarity what do you mean the "16 end"?, as you know runways take the compass direction so in effect runway 16 has 2 ends! are you saying it was landing on runway 16, so it ended up at the south end of the runway? as I thought I saw it landing on 34 with a suggestion it took the net at the Northern end of the runway?
If that was the case I would have said it's tangled in the net at the 34 end, but just for clarity yes it landed on 34 and then carried on down and got stopped by the net at the 16 end (North end)
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:37 am
by Agent K
Colin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:21 am
If that was the case I would have said it's tangled in the net at the 34 end, but just for clarity yes it landed on 34 and then carried on down and got stopped by the net at the 16 end (North end)
POL wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:13 am
The "16 end" of 34/16 would be the northern end. I e. the end with 16 painted on it.
Thank you both, and i never assume! not wishing to be awkward here, and agree if one uses that terminology then yes the end with 16 painted on it is the most obvious and sensible.
I asked as I had a somewhat frustrating and unintended discussion with someone on another military airfield page recently who stated that, to use Leeming as an example, for a 16/34 runway, the 34 end was the end of the runway 34 (and thus the end with 16 painted on it!) and vice versa the 16 end was the one at the end of the runway 16 (and thus with 34 painted on it!)............
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:50 am
by Seahornet1
Technically, I'd say it's the 34 overrun end, since that was the runway in use at the time. However, standard 'spotter' terminology is to identify 'ends' by the relevant approach threshold, regardless of which runway is in use; as POL pointed out, the big white number painted on the tarmac makes a pretty good reference!
EDIT: Just seen your latest AK; I think the alternative definition you mention is very much in the minority. It takes all sorts (as they say), but some folks just seem to like being 'different' for the sake of it!
Does anyone have any update on the position / status of ZZ190, this morning...?
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:16 am
by slogen51
At Lakenheath the tower distinguish the 'end' buy saying either departure end or arrival end of the runway in question especially when referring to cable configuration
So the forest entrance is at the 23 arrival end and at the 05 departure end or EOR when 05 is in use.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:40 am
by Colin
Seahornet1 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:50 am
Technically, I'd say it's the 34 overrun end, since that was the runway in use at the time. However, standard 'spotter' terminology is to identify 'ends' by the relevant approach threshold, regardless of which runway is in use; as POL pointed out, the big white number painted on the tarmac makes a pretty good reference!
EDIT: Just seen your latest AK; I think the alternative definition you mention is very much in the minority. It takes all sorts (as they say), but some folks just seem to like being 'different' for the sake of it!
Does anyone have any update on the position / status of ZZ190, this morning...?
The airfield is Notamed closed till Thursday 24th PM to Fixed wing aircraft. A friend who was passing this morning noted Activity around the Hunter that looked like it was being de fuelled, I would imagine ready for extraction.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:08 am
by freebird
I'm reliably informed, he had an issue with the breaks.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:12 am
by POL
Was the clue the fact it didn't stop in time?
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:12 pm
by Nighthawke
freebird wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:08 am
I'm reliably informed, he had an issue with the breaks.
*brakes*
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:19 pm
by Hurn
freebird wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:08 am
I'm reliably informed, he had an issue with the breaks.
Well them's the breaks, if you have an issue with the brakes.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:22 pm
by Vulcanone
Thinking back to the days of Lightnings taking the barrier at Binbrook, Although they always did that on a day I was ever there. They usually had them extracted within hours.
I don't suppose there are many airfield left that still have airfield barriers .?? Mona had/has it for Valley trainers. Anyone know of any others apart from Leeming.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:09 pm
by lmgaylard
Vulcanone wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:22 pm
Thinking back to the days of Lightnings taking the barrier at Binbrook, Although they always did that on a day I was ever there. They usually had them extracted within hours.
I don't suppose there are many airfield left that still have airfield barriers .?? Mona had/has it for Valley trainers. Anyone know of any others apart from Leeming.
RNAS Yeovilton has barriers at the end of RWY 28 & RWY 22. No Fast-jets based at Yeovilton now, so a little redundant.
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:40 pm
by seven
lmgaylard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:09 pm
RNAS Yeovilton has barriers at the end of RWY 28 & RWY 22. No Fast-jets based at Yeovilton now, so a little redundant.
No
airworthy fast jets that is
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:55 pm
by Doughnut
Vulcanone wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:22 pm
Thinking back to the days of Lightnings taking the barrier at Binbrook, Although they always did that on a day I was ever there. They usually had them extracted within hours.
I don't suppose there are many airfield left that still have airfield barriers .?? Mona had/has it for Valley trainers. Anyone know of any others apart from Leeming.
I was thinking about the use of restraint barriers, as apposed to the cable arrest system. Assume Leeming had them when 100sqn operated Hawks and made sense to retain them.
I assume the Red Arrows Hawk T1 does not have an emergency tail hook so what "safety case" has been written for them at Waddington ? Seem to remember Scampton had barriers ?
Remember seeing a Canberra in the net at Wyton many years ago. Surely Lightnings had emergency tail hook and Binbrook had an arrestor cable ?
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:08 pm
by Vulcanone
Lightning F.6 did have hooks, but the F.3 and T.5 didn't so I assume it was for them, amongst others.
I have vague recollections of F.6s using RHAG
Re: HHA Hawker Hunter ZZ190 incident at RAF Leeming?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:15 pm
by Typhoon2
lmgaylard wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:09 pm
Vulcanone wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:22 pm
Thinking back to the days of Lightnings taking the barrier at Binbrook, Although they always did that on a day I was ever there. They usually had them extracted within hours.
I don't suppose there are many airfield left that still have airfield barriers .?? Mona had/has it for Valley trainers. Anyone know of any others apart from Leeming.
RNAS Yeovilton has barriers at the end of RWY 28 & RWY 22. No Fast-jets based at Yeovilton now, so a little redundant.
They were removed about 2ish years ago.
