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Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 5:32 pm
by cat1
Latest from BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981g8mrl8lt
These guys really don't mince their words!
Nice to see someone dealing with terrorists other than the UK and US.
Re: Israel launches strikes against Yemen
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:05 pm
by dotwatcher01
Today's strike on Yemen was spearheaded by F-15Ds and undoubtedly F-35As & KC-707s.
Fridays adventure featured appropriately 16 F-15I "Ra'am" some with 4000lb GBU-28 " Bunker Busters" followed by a second wave using 2000lb GBU-31 / BLU109s
Re: Israel launches strikes against Yemen
Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 5:42 pm
by cat1
Apparently the F-35I?
A version in of the 35 made specifically for Israel, although I don't have the knowledge to differentiate the two!
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 5:35 pm
by cat1
Iran has launched over 100 missiles, including ballistic missiles, at Israel tonight.
US are aiding Israel in air defence.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:20 pm
by James Cutting
Ah yes, that will end well for Iran!
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 8:22 pm
by quid21
Iran can't spout all that rhetoric without having to follow through at some point. Iran has to strike in a limited way to follow through on it's threats and retaliation. Too limited and the extreme views of some of it's leadership and population aren't satisfied - too aggressive and it risks being wiped from the map by the US. Quite the fine line being trod.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:18 pm
by Gary
UK MoD: British forces 'played their part' in attempts to prevent further escalation
British forces "played their part" in attempts to prevent further escalation in the Middle East tonight, says defence secretary John Healey.
However, it's not clear what role any UK forces played, or whether personnel were involved in shooting down any of the missiles fired by Iran at Israel - as US forces did.
In a statement posted by the UK Ministry of Defence, Mr Healey condemned Iran's attacks on Israel and thanked British personnel involved in the unspecified operations.
He said the UK "stands fully behind Israel's right to defend its country".
The MoD is not confirming what kind of support it gave Israel, but RAF Typhoon jets, operating from an air base in Cyprus, were deployed to help Israel during Iran's previous attack in April.
The same kind of help could have been given this time.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 5:07 am
by dotwatcher01
According to our incredibly reliable English language press only the US Navy & Jordan assisted last night. Fortunately all was over in time to listen to City on the radio.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:46 am
by Snoop 95
Not much about Aviation in this thread!
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:29 am
by Typeflyer
Snoop 95 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:46 am
Not much about Aviation in this thread!
That's why it's in Fighter Control Mess folder.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:47 am
by Finty
Snoop 95 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:46 am
Not much about Aviation in this thread!
Well some sources are reporting that one of the targets was Nevatim Air base, home of the F-35I fleet as well as some C-130s. Furthermore, RAF Typhoons were involved in missile interceptions.
If the subject bores you feel free to go elsewhere.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 8:54 am
by cat1
Snoop 95 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:46 am
Not much about Aviation in this thread!
Agree, the word 'airstrike' has nothing to do with military aviation obviously
on a much more serious note, a large scale war in the middle east will have untold effects on aircraft movements in the UK and other areas so I think you will find many members have a noted interest in a war between to nuclear backed countries.
Just sayin.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:05 am
by Sparts99
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Well some sources are reporting that one of the targets was Nevatim Air base, home of the F-35I fleet as well as some C-130s. Furthermore, RAF Typhoons were involved in missile interceptions.
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How are Typhoons used to intercept ballistic missiles, genuine question, I didn't think they had any capability for this?
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:20 am
by iainpeden
Explanation of the Israeli anti missile systems
Here
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cg4qx62kkxxt
Currently page three = posted at 20.03 BST on 1st October
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:27 am
by AlexLee05
Well some sources are reporting that one of the targets was Nevatim Air base, home of the F-35I fleet as well as some C-130s. Furthermore, RAF Typhoons were involved in missile interceptions.
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How are Typhoons used to intercept ballistic missiles, genuine question, I didn't think they had any capability for this?
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Most likely launching heat seekers at any missiles within range. They would be using the HMSS (Americans call it HMCS) to target the missiles just by turning their head at it.
They could maybe also use radar missiles at longer range, I'd imagine long range ballistic missiles such as the one's used would easily show up on radar long way away
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:49 am
by iainpeden
A lateral thought here; I have just finished reading V2 by Robert Harris - a well written story woven around the fact of the V2 campaign and the efforts to tackle it.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:22 am
by Sparts99
AlexLee05 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:27 am
Well some sources are reporting that one of the targets was Nevatim Air base, home of the F-35I fleet as well as some C-130s. Furthermore, RAF Typhoons were involved in missile interceptions.
How are Typhoons used to intercept ballistic missiles, genuine question, I didn't think they had any capability for this?
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Most likely launching heat seekers at any missiles within range. They would be using the HMSS (Americans call it HMCS) to target the missiles just by turning their head at it.
They could also use radar missiles at longer range, I'd imagine long range ballistic missiles such as the one's used would easily show up on radar long way away
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If I've understood correctly, the heat seeker carried by the Typhoon is is the ASRAAM which is short range, at the speeds ballistic missles travel I can't see that being an option. The Meteor and AMRAAM are longer range but even at their speed are they capable?
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:31 am
by TonyO
Typhoons would have played no part in this, its really not clear what part the UK would have played in last night's events.
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:55 am
by AlexLee05
Sparts99 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:22 am
AlexLee05 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:27 am
Well some sources are reporting that one of the targets was Nevatim Air base, home of the F-35I fleet as well as some C-130s. Furthermore, RAF Typhoons were involved in missile interceptions.
How are Typhoons used to intercept ballistic missiles, genuine question, I didn't think they had any capability for this?
Most likely launching heat seekers at any missiles within range. They would be using the HMSS (Americans call it HMCS) to target the missiles just by turning their head at it.
They could also use radar missiles at longer range, I'd imagine long range ballistic missiles such as the one's used would easily show up on radar long way away
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If I've understood correctly, the heat seeker carried by the Typhoon is is the ASRAAM which is short range, at the speeds ballistic missles travel I can't see that being an option. The Meteor and AMRAAM are longer range but even at their speed are they capable?
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Yeah I'd imagine the ASRAAM would be useless against ballistic missiles but would be very useful against cruise missiles and drones, I'd imagine drones and cruise missiles made up some part of the attack.
Ballistic missiles follow a predictable route (ballistic arc) so even if the missile is travelling at high speed it would be possible to calculate an intercept point when fired from a long enough range to do so.
Hypersonic missiles differentiate from ballistic missiles less by speed and more by the ability to maneuver at speed to they are most difficult to intercept so would likely be left to the Israeli ground air defences and probably some American one's in Jordan or Syria
No official confirmation of typhoons being involved has been said yet however the defence secretary has said British forces "played their part". Realistically the only two ways I can think of this happening would either be typhoons intercepting missiles as they did on the last Iranian missile attack or a RN ship doing the same
Re: Iran launch ballistic missiles at Israel
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:25 pm
by T_J
Gary wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2024 10:18 pm
UK MoD: British forces 'played their part' in attempts to prevent further escalation
British forces "played their part" in attempts to prevent further escalation in the Middle East tonight, says defence secretary John Healey.
However, it's not clear what role any UK forces played, or whether personnel were involved in shooting down any of the missiles fired by Iran at Israel - as US forces did.
In a statement posted by the UK Ministry of Defence, Mr Healey condemned Iran's attacks on Israel and thanked British personnel involved in the unspecified operations.
He said the UK "stands fully behind Israel's right to defend its country".
The MoD is not confirming what kind of support it gave Israel, but RAF Typhoon jets, operating from an air base in Cyprus, were deployed to help Israel during Iran's previous attack in April.
The same kind of help could have been given this time.
It will be intelligence support and early warning. The use of over the horizon radar based in Cyprus along with other intelligence capabilities on the island. Pluto over the horizon radar was very active during the run up to and during the Iranian missile attack.
https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/PLUTO_II_OTH_Radar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-horizon_radar
https://plus.shephardmedia.com/analysis ... mber-2023/