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Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

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POL
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Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by POL » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:26 am

For those that don't read the below in full, the Shackleton will (somehow!) be moved to Woodford, presumably with the rest of the aircraft heading to their respective owners at Hooton Park and RAF Cosford?

From: https://www.scienceandindustrymuseum.or ... space-hall
The Science and Industry Museum and Manchester City Council have announced that the museum will no longer lease the historic Lower Campfield Market Hall building, which houses the Air and Space Hall.

The hall, which remains closed due to the extent of repairs needed, and many of the objects within it, formed Manchester City Council's Air and Space Museum, which opened in 1983. The Air and Space Hall was originally taken on by the North Western Museum of Science and Industry in 1985 due to the disbanding of Greater Manchester Council’s Air and Space Museum, before transferring to the Science Museum Group in 2012.

Director, Sally MacDonald, says:

"The decision to vacate our lease has not been easy but it’s the right thing to do for our visitors, the building and the city. Since the Science Museum Group took on the Science and Industry Museum in 2012, we have been working hard on an extensive and intensive programme of urgent repair and conservation work to the buildings the museum inhabits so we can continue to inspire visitors with ideas that change the world.

"We have just completed a £5 million new Special Exhibitions Gallery, which over 20,000 visitors have already enjoyed, and we are investing £11.3 million in our iconic Power Hall, due to reopen in 2023. We are also undertaking repairs valued at over £3 million to the 1830 Station and 1830 Warehouse.

"As a charity we have invested significant resource to maintain and repair the Air and Space Hall since we have taken on its stewardship; however, historic buildings do have a complexity of issues that date back many decades. The repair and investment work required to bring this beautiful building back to life is substantial, the space presents real challenges in the sustainable display of historic objects and ultimately, it is the responsible thing to now pass the building back to Manchester City Council, ready for its next chapter. We take seriously our responsibility to look after our globally significant buildings, which include the world’s oldest surviving passenger station and railway warehouse, and we have to prioritise these buildings that we own.

"I would like to thank all of the visitors, volunteers and partners that have helped to make the Air and Space Hall such a special place for many. We will continue to tell stories and display iconic objects demonstrating the region's transport innovation in our galleries, in our new talks and learning programmes and online.” 


The majority of the bikes, planes and cars on display will be able to be seen in future displays in new locations around the UK, as they will be returned from loan to their home organisations. The RAF Museum's spectacular Avro Shackleton will travel to its 'spiritual home' at the Avro Heritage Museum in nearby Woodford, Stockport, the site of A.V. Roe & Co. Ltd, where it was originally made by Manchester-born inventor Alliot Verdon Roe, a leader in British Aircraft design.

Well-loved objects from the Science and Industry Museum collections will remain there to be seen, including the 1905 Rolls-Royce motor car, used by Henry Royce himself, currently on display in the Revolution Manchester gallery. The museum collection, including objects of scale, will continue to be used to tell the story of aeronautics in the North West and will be used in future galleries to showcase the huge contribution the region has made in aviation history. Key stories such as how Manchester’s motor manufacturers have used progressive methods to produce some of the most iconic cars to have motored on our roads (including the Ford Model T) and around Manchester's thrilling history of cycling innovation and triumphs (including bicycles dating from the 1800s) will also continue to be told in future displays at the museum.

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by Doughnut » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:59 am

Hopefully some good will come of this closure, which has been on the cards for many years.
Whilst the Shackleton remains in RAF Museum ownership I look forward to it receiving the care and attention it truly deserves at Woodford.
It is assumed that space is the major decision not to move the Shackleton to Cosford, but let us hope that suitable covered storage / display will be provided at Woodford.

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by Alf » Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:34 am

Doughnut wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:59 am
Hopefully some good will come of this closure, which has been on the cards for many years.
Whilst the Shackleton remains in RAF Museum ownership I look forward to it receiving the care and attention it truly deserves at Woodford.
It is assumed that space is the major decision not to move the Shackleton to Cosford, but let us hope that suitable covered storage / display will be provided at Woodford.
Great that it's coming home to its birth place at Woodford, but there isn't much covered space in the museum (worth a visit to anyone who has not been). The Vulcan is also outside. The huge Redrow housing estate that is being built over the airfield is unlikely to give the museum anymore space.

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by Supra » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:23 pm

Yeah, here's hoping the Woodford move has a long-term preservation clause in it somewhere. WR960 (Dougal, latterly?) is a fine example of the Mk2 Phase 3 airframe which in the AEW2 guise completed 40 years of Service to the RAF by the Shackleton. Sadly, if it ends up being stored outside for an extended period its future will be limited.
After seeing the Mk3 at Duxford requiring so much attention to restore it that would be a real shame. On the AEW2 subject, the record for successful preservation of the final 6 airframes is not great, the previous 6 even more dire! We have WL790 in Pima looking like a bad Airfix Kit, WL747 & WL757 taken to Cyprus by the money-rich Dreamer....one Senor Savros Constaninedes to die from sunburn & being buried alive? Then you have WR963 at Coventry which wobbles between restoration to fly & rotting outside in English climate. WL756 was destined for execution on the firedump at RAF St Mawgan, but was rescued by enthusiasts & returned to MK2 status as a Gateguard until a few years after St Mawgan became Newquay Airport, I believe it currently resides in a state of transportable disassembly following its short move up to the area between the Cornwall Aviation Heritage Centre & the plastic Spitfire Factory located just outside the Airport Airside. That just leaves WR965 which was tragically lost with all onboard in a collision with higher ground on the Island of South Harris on Mon 30th April 1990. Much missed! :(

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by Typeflyer » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:27 pm

My two needs there are the Lightning P.1A (WG763) and rare Avro 707C (WZ736) - what will become of them? Are they RAF Museum owned?

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by DeanW » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:45 pm

Typeflyer wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:27 pm
My two needs there are the Lightning P.1A (WG763) and rare Avro 707C (WZ736) - what will become of them? Are they RAF Museum owned?
Off to the Boscombe Down Aviation Collection.

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by POL » Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:40 am

Does BDAC have room internally for them? It was fairly full last time I visited!

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by Doughnut » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:04 am

DeanW wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:45 pm
Typeflyer wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:27 pm
My two needs there are the Lightning P.1A (WG763) and rare Avro 707C (WZ736) - what will become of them? Are they RAF Museum owned?
Off to the Boscombe Down Aviation Collection.
Is that a confirmed deal, or just suggesting it would be a nice idea ?

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by David Thompson » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:30 am

From the BDAC ;

Very pleased to announce that Avro 707A WZ736 and English Electric P1A WG763, whom both served extensively at Boscombe Down, are to be rehomed at BDAC following their move from
Science & Industry Museum in Manchester. Two fantastic exhibits for the Collection to display in our hangars! With thanks to the RAF Museum.

Maggie Appleton, RAF Museum CEO said: “We are delighted to be rehoming these aircraft and sharing them with new audiences to enjoy and connect with their stories. I know they will resonate with audiences and communities, with some even having local stories linked to them."
Youth is wasted on the young !

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Re: Manchester Science and Industry Museum to close Air & Space Hall

Post by Doughnut » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:54 am

Yes just reading that now. Excellent news !!! Let us hope that BDAC at Old Sarum can secure a long term future and make maximum use of both the historic Belfast Truss hangars they currently use.

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