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footes
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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by footes » Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:15 pm

Haven't the RAF agreed short term training arrangements at Newquay (St Mawgan) over previous months so just a thought what about Newquay its quiet and even airlines use it for training.

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Vulcanone » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:11 am

If anyone cares to look back at the original post from some point way back when..... You will find that the MoD had already shortlisted the 3 sites which were on the list

Leeming Wittering and Waddington

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Vulcanone » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:15 am

And this is as far as I can be bothered to look...

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2019/03/raf ... ed-arrows/

arch
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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by arch » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:39 am

Why not wait till its officially annouced

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Nighthawke » Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:30 am

Most sensible comment in the four pages!

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by baz1 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:23 am

or see which direction the furniture vans head when they leave Scampton!!

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:51 am

Vulcanone wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:11 am
If anyone cares to look back at the original post from some point way back when..... You will find that the MoD had already shortlisted the 3 sites which were on the list

Leeming Wittering and Waddington
There’s always a sensible one! :D

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by stupot27 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm

If it was down to fighter control members, my vote would be Honington 👍👍

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Nighthawke » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:54 pm

Little infrastructure left for ops,
Mildenhall 29 ops would be severely impacted...

...But as a local I like the idea.

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Ghost from above » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:47 pm

Interesting take on this re Leeming from the CHIEF of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mike Wigston

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/ ... ure-plans/
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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by tm74sqn » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:38 am

I'll not access that site due to their cooky policy.

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:41 pm

tm74sqn wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:38 am
I'll not access that site due to their cooky policy.
In precis of the article, lots of political speak and not much information. :thumb:

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Vulcan74 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:59 pm

As usual anything to do with mod.

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Ghost from above » Mon Nov 11, 2019 6:12 pm

Here it is in full
CHIEF of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mike Wigston is the professional head of the Royal Air Force, presently standing at 30,000 regulars and 1,000 reservists.

Speculating on the RAF’s future, he says: “In ten years’ time the RAF will be continuing the growth and regeneration we started in 2015. When the government acknowledged that the world had become a more dangerous and unstable place, it invested in defence and it has continued to.
“ For me as Chief, the challenge is growing an Air Force which we haven’t done for decades. It’s about training pilots and more engineers.

“I’ll have an Air Force with a fleet of modern combat aircraft, we will have returned to maritime patrols with Poseidon and have a world-class training system.”

Of the three military services, the Air Force has no problems attracting sufficient recruits, ACM Wigston is optimistic this will continue. “Recruiting is outstanding,” he says. “By the end of the financial year I will have recruited everybody I need.

“It’s a remarkably positive recruiting environment because we have a great story to tell, we change people’s lives, and we give them technology skills and qualifications. People see us as a good place to work.”

With RAF Linton closing next year, Leeming near Bedale will be the only airbase in Yorkshire. “RAF Leeming is so important to our future plans,” he says. “I’m up there in a couple of weeks with the Commander who is doing some amazing things with innovation and thinking through what a future base must look like. I’m using them as my intellectual power house.
“As the Chief of Air Staff in 2019, the future of RAF Leeming is absolutely secure.”

With Leeming shortlisted to be the new home of the Red Arrows without giving away any updates, he says: “The issues or challenges with the Red Arrows is not about the base but the airspace they practice in
“Because of environmental concerns, it is noisy and repetitive and it takes a really careful bit of analysis to work out a piece of ground that we can practice over.

“It’s going to be really difficult to identify the right place to move that space to and that’s what’s taking the time.”

With a fresh view on recruiting, ACM Wigston alludes to people with disabilities being able to join up one day. He explains: “We do think we now have the flexibility to take a different view about medical standards.

“These are the things we are working though now and I am wholly in favour, but no decision has been made yet. The first step could be with RAF reservists.

“I’m open-minded about in the future, I want to recruit people for their brains and conviction and perhaps keyboard skills. I might not need them to run one and a half miles in nine minutes.”
During and post-Second World War, the RAF had many servicemen with acute disabilities serving across all branches and trades, notably flying ace Douglas Bader.
Increasingly into the future the RAF will do more in space and consequently more in the cyber, information and data world. The head of the Force suggested pilots may not always have a place in a traditional cockpit.

He says: “Technology is moving step-by-step towards greater automation. The first step we will see is automated robot wingmen formatting on a piloted aircraft, so you have a formation.
The step beyond is everything remotely piloted so pilots are in cabins on the ground and the final step, fully-automated.”

The RAF takes cyber warfare seriously, in the same way aircraft in the past were tested for metal fatigue or mechanical defects, now a new kind of engineer does the same for its software.

After 30 years in the RAF, ACM Wigston’s passion for flying has translated into a passion for serving his country. He confesses to still glancing up when any aircraft passes over. This is demonstrated as we speak when the RAF’s newest and highly-secret stealth aircraft, the F35 Lightning passes overhead.

He says: “One day I will be able to talk about everything that it does in a way we can’t do now – it is phenomenal.”

The best bit about being head of the RAF? He concludes: “Just being so proud of an organisation with it’s brilliant, motivated people – 32,000 regulars and 3000 reservists, civil servants and industry partners.

“Being responsible for an organisation where the people get out of bed in the morning to serve their country and they do it so well.

“When you look at what we’re doing in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Africa and defending the skies of the UK; that’s what makes me so proud.”
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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by andrewn » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:33 am

Translations:
It will take us at least another 10 years to get back to where we were 10 yrs ago.

We'll need to make a lot more use of synthetic training because the balls up that is MFTS only budgeted for 10 advanced trainers.

We had a wonderful array of RAF bases in Yorkshire with largely uncontested airspace, but we've closed them all. But at least we've still got Leeming!

The only suitable place for the Red Arrows is where they are now but I haven't got the balls to say that. And neither does anybody else.

I know nothing about technology other than buzz words I've picked up like cyber warfare and network centric, but as no one else understands either it doesn't really matter.

The F35? Can we talk about the EE Lightning instead? Now THAT was a plane!

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by verreli » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:14 am

Surely if they are based at Leeming they can use Topcliffe for practice? Not as ideal as practicing at your home base but it's only 9 miles away.

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Agent K » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:30 am

Given the need for crew to be on the ground (filming etc) across all the practices, I've never seen the away-base for practice being a viable or practical option. Wherever they go it needs to be at least as efficient and practical as Scampton surely?

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by SPERX » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:58 pm

verreli wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:14 am
Surely if they are based at Leeming they can use Topcliffe for practice? Not as ideal as practicing at your home base but it's only 9 miles away.
Topcliffe is now an Army barracks with the hangars full of guns and trucks and stuff. It is also right next door to Thirsk which is expanding westward at an alarming rate and so the usual dramas of noise complaints arises. I rather admire the previous post which said what everybody knows buy nobody in the RAF dares say, that they are already at the ideal location.
They can call it what they want
BUT ITS NOT A PROPER LIGHTNING

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Vulcan74 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:27 am

Scampton would be the ideal permeant location, It would be nice if another flying unit like the UAS Grob wing at Wittering relocated to Scampton. Then giving the mod a good reason to keep Scampton open.

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Re: Red Arrows New Base?

Post by Vulcanone » Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:24 pm

Except that the tutors would then be getting stuffed as the Reds would be getting in the way

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