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1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

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Re: English Channel hunt for wreck of stolen Mildenhall C-130

Post by Snoop 95 » Fri May 25, 2018 8:04 am

I was around in 1969, at school!, and vague memory recalls that it was not shot down and just ran out of gas and flopped into the sea.

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Re: English Channel hunt for wreck of stolen Mildenhall C-130

Post by jem60 » Sat May 26, 2018 5:50 am

As was I. A lot of 'urban myths' connected with this one. It has been shot down by Lightnings, Phantoms, and a Hunter!!. Never want the truth to get in the way of a good story, now, do we?? I remember the incident well at the time. Agree with previous poster, but, who really knows??? :S :S :S :)

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Re: English Channel hunt for wreck of stolen Mildenhall C-130

Post by The Phantom » Sat May 26, 2018 6:14 am

That's why it would be good if they could recover it and hopefully find clues to what really did happen once and for all.

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Re: English Channel hunt for wreck of stolen Mildenhall C-130

Post by Snoop 95 » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:22 am

Extensive and enlightening (but inconclusive) article about this from BBC News Webisite:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-44711694

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Re: English Channel hunt for wreck of stolen Mildenhall C-130

Post by The Phantom » Mon Jul 09, 2018 6:37 am

So many stories and conspiracies:
The Lightning pilot saying the plane returned with a missile missing; but the armourer says both planes came back with all 4 missiles?!
Then the talk of what went on at Chivenor - with another plane allegedly returning with missiles missing.

All we can hope is that they find the crashed plane once and for all (though it would seem to be the same sort of odds as winning the lottery!) and it would hopefully prove once and for all if the plane just crashed or was shot down.

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1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by Snoop 95 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:24 am

BBC story about the location of the wreck of the stolen C130 from RAF Mildenhall, which has been shrouded in mystery. Did it run out of fuel and crash or was it shot down?
This was a topic covered earlier this year, perhaps mods could unite the two.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-46624382
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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by jem60 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:40 am

Perhaps he might find Glenn Miller at the same time. I have no doubt that conspiracy theories will abound again. It crashed, he died, it may have been shot down?,. If so it could be justified. Does this really matter anymore?. If his relatives discover 'the truth' I am sure that they would understand why it was brought down. [if that is the case, which I, personally doubt.]

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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by Knife 04 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:48 am

Interesting read Snoop
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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by BMrider » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:05 am

Yes interesting, but nothing to confirm the ID of the wreckage, There must be hundreds of wrecks in the channel
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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by Nighthawke » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:15 am

Just for correctness, wasn't this a Mildenhall aircraft? I can see no reference in any of the BBC's 3 articles to Woodbridge.
However, an interesting story to which there may never be answers.

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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by Snoop 95 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:22 am

Yes Nighthawke you are right it was a Mildenhall a/c. Hadn't got my brain in gear yet! Amended my headline item.

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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by quid21 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:59 pm

jem60 wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:40 am
Perhaps he might find Glenn Miller at the same time. I have no doubt that conspiracy theories will abound again. It crashed, he died, it may have been shot down?,. If so it could be justified. Does this really matter anymore?. If his relatives discover 'the truth' I am sure that they would understand why it was brought down. [if that is the case, which I, personally doubt.]
The truth always matters.

But I guess it all depends on whether they learn anymore by diving to the wreck than is already known.

I'm sure that a 'rogue' who stole an aircraft during the Cold War would justify being shotdown, I find it hard to believe a drunk could convince anyone to ready an airplane let alone takeoff by himself while drunk - but you never know. Regardless of whether all the stories of him being shot down or crashing of his own accord are true, the real tragedy was on the part of the USAF for not identifying him as suffering from PTSD and making sure he couldn't hurt himself or anyone else. I guess PTSD was probably swept under the carpet or not properly understood back then? Who knows.

Intriguing story.

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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by rh226 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 6:50 pm

Back then, PTSD was not known for what it is. It was not officially recognised by the medical profession until 1980.
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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by jem60 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:03 pm

Knowing just a teeny bit about aeroplane driving, like some others on this forum, I find it amazing that he got as far as he did!!. Difficult enough in a light spamcan, let alone a four-engined lumbering beastie in the dark. Flying it straight and level, yes, possibly, but I suspect that he 'lost' the aircraft at some point in a turn. which would require considerable control co-ordination depending on it's angle of bank, needing aileron, elevators and rudder input which could lead to spatial dis-orientation very quickly indeed with the inevitable result as he runs out of talent and height. The shoot-down theory would work for me only when it was apparent that he was close to land and causing great danger to other life and property, which is not the case over the channel.

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Re: 1969 USAF C130 Wreckage Found in Channel

Post by Snoop 95 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:00 pm

A bit more from today's EADT local paper in which the diver asks for information on the aircraft and its last flight to let him have it:

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/grahame-kno ... -1-5839127

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