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State Dept Approves Sale of C-130s to Germany

Don Jay
May 6 5:44 PM

WASHINGTON, May. 4, 2018 - The State Department has made a determination
approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Germany of three (3) C-130J-30
aircraft and three (3) KC-130J aircraft for an estimated cost of $1.40
billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required
certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Germany has requested to buy three (3) C-130J-30 aircraft
with four (4) each Rolls Royce AE-2100D turboprop engines (installed); three
(3) KC-130J aircraft with four (4) each Rolls Royce AE-2100D turboprop
engines (installed); four (4) Rolls Royce AE 2100D turboprop engines
(spares); and eight (8) Link-16 MIDS Terminals (one (1) per aircraft, plus
two (2) spares). Also included are eight (8) AN/ALE 47 Electronic
Countermeasure Dispensers (1 per aircraft, plus 2 spares); eight (8)
AN/AAR-47A(V)2 Missile Warning Systems (1 per aircraft, plus spares); eight
(8) AN/ALR-56M Radar Warning Receivers (1 per aircraft, plus 2 spares);
eight (8) MX-20 Electro-Optical/Infrared Imaging Systems (1 per aircraft,
plus 2 spares); AN/APX-114/119 Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) Mode 5;
Joint Mission Planning System (JMPS); secure communications; precision
navigation and cryptographic equipment; night vision devices; support and
test equipment; publications and technical documentation; personnel training
and training equipment; U.S. Government and contractor engineering;
technical and logistics support services; and other related elements of
logistical and program support. The total estimated value is $1.40 billion.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national
security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a NATO
ally which is an important force for political and economic stability in
Europe. The proposed sale will increase the airlift, air refueling, and air
drop capabilities of the German Air Force. Providing these capabilities to
the German Air Force will greatly increase interoperability between the U.S.
Air Force and the German Air Force as well as other NATO allies.

The German Air Force will use these aircraft to conduct airlift, air
refueling, and air drop missions as part of a French-German allied squadron
based in Evreux, France. This common air transport squadron will have
unrestricted exchange of aircraft, air crews, and maintainers, as well as
technical and logistical support based on a common pool of spare parts and a
common service support contract. These exchanges would be carried out
pursuant to separate authorizations from the United States. The C-130Js
will provide crucial air refueling capability to German and French fighter
and light transport aircraft, as well as helicopters. Germany requests
these capabilities to provide for the support of its deployed troops,
regional security, and interoperability with France and the United States.
Germany will have no difficulty absorbing these aircraft into its armed
forces.

aka: einhundertdreißig Transport- und Betankungsflugzeuge

Hard to believe that six C-130Js can account for $1.4 billion ( even considering spares and support ). But that's the cost of a monopoly option I suppose, the A400 is in a category above and the C-27 much smaller.

I think we'll look back on the A400 in 20 years time and agree that it was too big for the market. The EMBRAER KC-390 looks well-sized once it's ready, maybe it'll finally kill-off the six-decades-old Herk with its constricted hold and weird flight requirements ( wing-relieving fuel and stuff like that ).

The A400M is perfect for what its meant for the Long range transport role. And now the C-17 has gone out of production perfect for more exports

But the Germans are buying these for a special forces role, If I remember correctly.

Given that they will be shared unrestricted between the French and Germans, any idea what markings they’ll carry?

Given that they will be shared unrestricted between the French and Germans, any idea what markings they’ll carry?
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I attended ILA 2018 ( see my photos of the Armee de l’Air C-130J-30 on FB FC group) and there is a badge by the crew door depicting joint ownership .

However I’m led to believe that 5 of the orders will carry Luftwaffe markings ,

Cheers

A massive thread bump but I can't seem to find a newer one.

Photo of the first German example fully painted, complete with refuelling probe and camera turret - and mahoosive serial!

https://twitter.com/BaainBw/status/1458 ... 48/photo/1

Everybody who can is buying these for special forces just as we offload them and try to squeeze this role into the A400

First German C-130J-30, 55+01 (c/n 5930), made its maiden flight from Marietta on November 8.

sdmach wrote: ↑

Tue Nov 09, 2021 3:35 pm

Everybody who can is buying these for special forces just as we offload them and try to squeeze this role into the A400

Exactly, a bit embarrassing that other nations involved in the A400M are now buying C-130s because they've realised it's not able to fulfill the SF mission role.