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First P-8A for RAF

Post by plmc135 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:18 pm

I gather from sources that the first P-8A Poseidon for the RAF, ZP801, is currently on the flight line at Renton awaiting it's first flight. No c/n known but it is line number 6560.

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by toom317 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:58 pm

So has the whole system for numbering aircraft gone to hell, and we're basing reggie numbers on the aircraft type now?
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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by EGVP » Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:22 pm

Serials. ;)

And yes, pretty much! There's no need for them to be sequential if you can find them all in a database.

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by PR9 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:06 am

Why are some serials "allocated" but then skipped and not used if not taken up? Never understood that one.

The P-8A's have six slots "allocated" for a potential fleet of 15 in the current block.
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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by Davef68 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:19 pm

PR9 wrote:Why are some serials "allocated" but then skipped and not used if not taken up? Never understood that one.

The P-8A's have six slots "allocated" for a potential fleet of 15 in the current block.
Because the database (I suspect) doesn't allow you to re-use allocated ones (Excepting the two reused for the Mi-17s). The current allocation does seem a little messy to the ordered mind!

I do wonder how the likes of http://www.ukserials.com get their information - FOI or a sneaky contact?

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by toom317 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:25 pm

EGVP wrote:Serials. ;)

And yes, pretty much! There's no need for them to be sequential if you can find them all in a database.
Thanks EGVP, for the life of me I couldn't think of the word serials, and had to use reggies instead. I guess I must be getting old (er).
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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by tommc » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:43 pm

PR9 wrote:Why are some serials "allocated" but then skipped and not used if not taken up? Never understood that one.

The P-8A's have six slots "allocated" for a potential fleet of 15 in the current block.
It is not for a potential fleet of 15.

It is to allow for possible future attrition replacements if needed.

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by TonyO » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:34 am

Davef68 wrote:
PR9 wrote:Why are some serials "allocated" but then skipped and not used if not taken up? Never understood that one.

The P-8A's have six slots "allocated" for a potential fleet of 15 in the current block.
Because the database (I suspect) doesn't allow you to re-use allocated ones (Excepting the two reused for the Mi-17s). The current allocation does seem a little messy to the ordered mind!

I do wonder how the likes of http://www.ukserials.com get their information - FOI or a sneaky contact?
Wasn't there re-use for two DA42s used in Afghanistan as well?

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by EGVP » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:41 am

Z179 and ZA180, yup!

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by Davef68 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:57 am

The DA42s weren't reused, just previously unused serials from an earlier block. Interestingly there are allocations for 4 further DA42s in the ZJ range (663-665 and 689) - possibly the ones used for training exercises under civil registrations.

Same thing happened with the AAC Defenders (which followed the original allocations for the Islanders) and the ETPS A109E, which followed the old SAS ones. The SAS Dauphins also used gaps in the earlier serial allocations

Similar to the current Saudi and Oman Hawks, which are using unused 'ZB***' range serials, to say nothing of the use of AW, GZ, PS, QQ, RP and SE!

But I digress....

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by Vulcanone » Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:39 pm

From memory, the ZA serials allocated to the pair of DA42s were used before. if you count (Northrop Chukars or MATS-Bs??) Army remote control targets getting serials.

Although as I haven't got my copy of the 2nd volume of the BARG serial book from that timespan 1983/84 I can't confirm...

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by Davef68 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:15 pm

Vulcanone wrote:From memory, the ZA serials allocated to the pair of DA42s were used before. if you count (Northrop Chukars or MATS-Bs??) Army remote control targets getting serials.

Although as I haven't got my copy of the 2nd volume of the BARG serial book from that timespan 1983/84 I can't confirm...
Mine is here. The ZB697/698 used by the two Mils replicated serials previously issued to a pair of Northrop Chukar D2s that expired in 1981.

The Twin Stars used a gap in the ZA series Sea Harrier serials (Between ZA177 and ZA190) - the ZA series Chukars were ZA155 to ZA164, MATS-B started at ZA200

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by Sky Pirate » Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:16 pm

Yes I do like cereal....But ZP 801 will be good enough for starters.

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by nickowen » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:45 pm

PR9 wrote:Why are some serials "allocated" but then skipped and not used if not taken up? Never understood that one.
Blackout blocks!

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by PR9 » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:46 am

Thought blackout blocks practice was no longer used?
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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by Davef68 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:36 pm

PR9 wrote:Thought blackout blocks practice was no longer used?
Only in the last 20 years or so.

So has anyone seen a picture of the first RAF P-8 yet?

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by tommc » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:27 pm

nickowen wrote:
PR9 wrote:Why are some serials "allocated" but then skipped and not used if not taken up? Never understood that one.
Blackout blocks!
As quoted on the UK Serials website.......

"Broken Blocks" (NOTE, NOT the often mis-quoted "Blackout Blocks") were incorporated into serial batches in order to disguise the true quantities of aircraft ordered or in service, but this practice has now ceased,

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by nickowen » Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:05 pm

Re blackout blocks, my apologies to all who took my tongue-in-cheek remark seriously.

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by onemac » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:38 am

nickowen wrote:Re blackout blocks, my apologies to all who took my tongue-in-cheek remark seriously.
Went right over my head chap and from one who didn't really know about such things, it turned out to be an education :)

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Re: First P-8A for RAF

Post by PR9 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:27 am

It's been interesting finding out about these things. Made sense during wartime to deceive enemies. :ninja:

One more question, what about serials "not taken up" but then skipped and more allocated afterwards (the T2 Hawks for example). :)
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