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Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Thunder » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:22 pm

Yes it was, the helicopter was taking passengers on pleasure flights so I suppose they were spectators just not on the ground at the time.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by 1979bree » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:14 pm

BBC now reporting that the pilot is alive....in critical condition but alive.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Thumper » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:55 pm

Naturally, the official news just in is that Shoreham Airshow for tomorrow is cancelled. BBC News reporting that more bodies may still be recovered and that the pilot is indeed alive but fighting for his life in a ciritical, life threatening condition.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Blackcat1 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:08 pm

Former Harrier pilot and BA captain. I do hope he pulls through. Shocking! Poor people, RIP
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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by hoddy82 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:09 pm

Someone on the news said he came down silent so he either pulled back on the throttle or it was not under power coming down but not sure it's hard to say at this time

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by claydon_dan » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:24 pm

Having only just got home from the Airshow, I can say first hand that it was a horrific to witness such an accident.

The crowd at the airshow fell silent, as we watched the Airports' own emergency vehicles race to the scene. Despite all that had happened the Airshow staff remained extremely professional updating us with what little information they had.

As for the crowds of people, who were then stuck at the airfield... The mood turned very somber whilst we all tried to take stock of what we'd witnessed.

I must say a huge thank you to the Sea Vixen and XH558 for their moving, simple flypasts and for the Airshow staff for allowing these to be done.

I'm sure it goes without saying our thoughts our with those have lost their lives or been injured today, the pilot who is in a critical condition and of course his family & friends.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by davedubya » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:11 pm

Don't know if this video of the incident has been posted already (obviously, sensitive viewing, so don't watch if need be) - http://fubble.eu/File/Details?link=c185 ... 7d090c194b

Does anyone with a bit more knowledge perhaps know why the aircraft appears to lose stability coming of the loop? (around the 18/19 second mark) Could that be due to lack of thrust or loss of control surfaces?

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by TankBuster » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:29 pm

roughcutter wrote:
TankBuster wrote:Very frustrating to hear the reporters clutching at straws and getting the facts wrong. Sky keep referring to the Hunter as a WW2 aircraft. I just wish they would hold fire and wait for the airshow officials and emergency services to make an official statement regarding the incident.

People have lost their lives today in a tragic airshow incident, and that is really is all the media need to say about it, up until a point when they know the real facts.

So sad to see those pictures, they say it all. Absolutely horrific :( .

RIP

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Look at them all clamouring for a deal on twitter, snouts in the trough :grr:
I have been absolutely disgusted by some of the medias behaviour today, it really is awful that some of these reporters are in such a rush to bag a story first that they blurt out complete garbage!... WWII Hunter aircraft, pilot lost power, pilot was too low, pilot was pulled from cockpit... and all this info was blurting out within 30 mins of the incident occurring! Some of these reporters are @rses!!!

Fair enough that eye witnesses say things as they see them, and of course there is nothing at all wrong in that, because all of this info will eventually be extremely valuable to the authorities in their investigations.
But, when a news reporter creates a story from the first information they get from an eye witness without even at least checking it for some facts and accuracy then that is just like a red rag to a bull for me, I'd like to throttle them through my TV set :grr: . And as for showing the video footage on TV and the graphic fireball image of the Hunter amongst the cars, that is just completely insensitive to those families and friends who have lost people today. The media today should be bl@@dy ashamed of themselves!

Thoughts go out to all those families who have suffered today, I cannot imagine how they will deal with this terrible day :( . Much respect goes out to the airshow organisers and emergency services who acted swiftly to ensure a rapid response to the scene of the incident.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Cornish-guy » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:11 pm

Such a terrible terrible accident shocking - its early days to speculate what may have caused it, but it does look possible that some kind of engine stall is possible from looking at the vids?

Sad day indeed prayers go out to all those affected.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by gibson617 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:13 pm

Have just got home from Shoreham and feeling totally shell shocked . The crash literally happened right in front of me and my partner and words cannot express how we feel . We cannot get those terrible last moments from our minds and really don't know what to say except our thoughts are with all those who today lost loved ones on what should have been a fantastic day out in the sun . Also , I would like to praise all the emergency services , Police , Ambulance , Fire Brigade and Coast Guard for their excellent response to this disaster . A very , very sad day for the United Kingdom and the Aviation world and I wish we had not seen it happen !

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Surrey Sam » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:01 am

gibson617 wrote:Have just got home from Shoreham and feeling totally shell shocked . The crash literally happened right in front of me and my partner and words cannot express how we feel .
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Hope you can get some sleep tonight, there were a number of shocked people around the vacinity of the crash scene. You're not alone.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by troutfisherman » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:56 am

rip , such a sad year it has been for aviation :(

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by martmpf » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:50 am

BBC 1 Breakfast News reporter live from the accident site just stated the Hunter was an RAF aircraft and that the pilot was an Airbus pilot that also flew other RAF aircraft, implicating he was a current RAF pilot. You would have thought that after this time, they could get basic facts correct. It's frustrating that the public will believe these "facts".

A sad day for all of us.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by jem60 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:39 am

As I have said before, on several occasions when this sort of thing happens, is that reporters are under great pressure to get their stories out. That is their job. They are not Aviation Experts, may be reporting on fishing contests one day, Airshows the next. If their editor expects them to delve deeply to find the exact information, then their reports are going to be very late reaching the papers, when everyone has got their own reports earlier. Their job is to find eye witnesses, and they have no time to verify facts. We know much more about aircraft and circumstances than they do, but they know that their jobs are on the line if they take too long getting information to their editors. It is a simple as that. Eye witnesses are the most unreliable people to interview. I, myself, gave a television reporter the wrong facts on an fatal airshow accident just in front of me in the States.
Couldn't believe I said that when I saw a replay. [Oshkosh 2007].
Correct information comes later, not in the heat of the moment, and , in the end, mis-information doesn't change things.
Just wondering, being a little technical here, wether or not altitude and air density [or lack of it] played a part here. It was a VERY hot day. Air is therefore thinner, [less dense] therefore not so much bite from the controls.??? More height needed to pull through on a hot day perhaps? Aerobatic pilot, Brian Lecomber, told me once that he very nearly came to grief as a result of that, taking more height than he expected to recover from a loop. Hunter test pilot Bill Bedford had the same experience in Switzerland once also.
Very sad day for many people.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Thunder » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:46 am

martmpf wrote:BBC 1 Breakfast News reporter live from the accident site just stated the Hunter was an RAF aircraft and that the pilot was an Airbus pilot that also flew other RAF aircraft, implicating he was a current RAF pilot. You would have thought that after this time, they could get basic facts correct. It's frustrating that the public will believe these "facts".

A sad day for all of us.

Martin

I didn't see the report myself but from what you've said above I don't see how the BBC are implying or have implied that the pilot is current RAF.

The Hunter was an RAF aircraft, not is an RAF a/c. The pilot may have very well flew other RAF a/c during his service, they aren't saying he flies other RAF a/c.

Reporters aren't military aviation enthusiausts so why do you expect them to get every detail on what happened correct. It's fustrating listening to so called enthusiausts getting angry over trival details that at the end of the day mean nothing. Several people lost their lives yesterday which will have devestating effects on families, friends, loved ones and those that witnessed events unfold and all some can do is slate the press.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by jem60 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:57 am

Thanks for that, Thunder. Sometimes I suspect I am the only dissenting voice. Nice to know I wasn't for a change.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by ChrisSk » Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:50 am

Looking at the photos and the amount of traffic and public nearby this could have been a lot worse. The 20+ people outside the hotel, the 10s of cars 100m back up the road. My thoughts go out to the families involved. A tragic day. The pilot had ample time to eject, he didn't. I personally think he did as much as he could to prevent injury to the public. Unfortuneately it was too late. I hope he and the other injured people recover.

Just to add. I find disturbing the amount of mobile phone videos on the web. Imagine if we all carried fire extinguishers in our cars and first aid boxes and took them to the scene instead and actually helped people instead of videoing them.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by TeeJay » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:14 am

Sad news, thoughts go out to all involved :(

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by lhrlima » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:00 am

ChrisSk wrote:Looking at the photos and the amount of traffic and public nearby this could have been a lot worse. The 20+ people outside the hotel, the 10s of cars 100m back up the road. My thoughts go out to the families involved. A tragic day. The pilot had ample time to eject, he didn't. I personally think he did as much as he could to prevent injury to the public. Unfortuneately it was too late. I hope he and the other injured people recover.

Just to add. I find disturbing the amount of mobile phone videos on the web. Imagine if we all carried fire extinguishers in our cars and first aid boxes and took them to the scene instead and actually helped people instead of videoing them.
Two very good points raised there, I especially agree with the last one!!

I also would like to add my sincere condolences to all involved in yesterdays tragic events, along with my praise and admiration for all the Emergency Services who attended. I hope and pray that the Pilot recovers from his injuries :'(

Looking at various 'news' reports since the event, I see the whole issue of 'Are Airshows safe' etc. has been raised. Whilst it is right and proper that this accident is fully investigated and any lessons learned to be implemented if required, I hope common sense prevails and the hobby we all enjoy doesn't become strangled by the all too common 'Health and Safety' movement.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by EGVP » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:14 am

I spent yesterday at an LAA flyin in Norfolk, with some very downhearted pilots who knew the Hunter pilot. I have nothing to add.

On the other hand, I am shocked to hear and read on Facebook and other places that people - including aviation enthusiasts - are suggesting that all airshows should have a two mile exclusion zone around display lines, so no-one can get close in case something like this happens again? Surely if that's what you want, just don't have airshows any more - it'd be like trying to watch RIAT from somewhere the other side of Marston Meysey, of course with not static aircraft on display! A very strange argument I feel.

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