Machloop ban

[toom317]

... but in the meantime plenty of other area for them to conduct training.

Well the Selkirk to Moffat valley didn't gain from it, if anything it got worse.

[Blackcat1]

Luckily for me the Brecon Beacons is still used but sadly like everywhere , so quiet these days

[Supra]

Rainbow Canyon it is then! More variety, better weather & Harrieresque things. No fighting for parking-spaces, No climbing & No 'Protocol-police'
Just sayin'..

[richpittman]

Rainbow Canyon it is then! More variety, better weather & Harrieresque things. No fighting for parking-spaces, No climbing & No 'Protocol-police'
Just sayin'..

Until that all goes wrong too ....

[Viper28]

The RAF are gradually removing low level training from the fast jet operations manual. They simply do not believe that it's necessary any more and it's very expensive to do. Once the Tornado goes the RAF presence in all the LFA's will drop significantly. You will still get the C130's, A400M's and rotary craft that have to operate down low but not the jets we use too. Situation might get a bit better once the USAF starts operating F35A's out if Lakenheath but I doubt we will see many RAF ones.
Unfortunately the only thing that will change that is when a century series SAM knocks a F35 out the sky and history repeats itself and they realise that half a mile of granite between you and a SAM is better than shaped carbon fibre and a pile of Chinese electronics

[ColintheCaterpillar]

There were 2 parties in the wrong here. The Pilot for performing the climb out and the poster for publishing it despite public opinion regarding the potential ramifications...

One party in the wrong.

The pilot.

The only thing our poster friend could have done better was to send the video privately. But why should she, it's her video afterall and she wasn't the one potentially committing an illegal act.

[ColintheCaterpillar]

The RAF are gradually removing low level training from the fast jet operations manual. They simply do not believe that it's necessary any more and it's very expensive to do.

And the last two times we did it operationally there were significant losses of both aircraft and aircrew.

[The Phantom]

The only thing our poster friend could have done better was to send the video privately. But why should she, it's her video afterall and she wasn't the one potentially committing an illegal act.

Why should she indeed! But as an aviation enthusiast, and as someone who was warned by others of the backlash of trouble it would cause, she could have had more thought to things than just the selfish 'me me me' need of posting her video on twatter!

[C24]

FYI
There is a Freedom of Information request which has to be answered by the 29th Jan

Further research has revealed

http://digg.com/video/mach-loop-wales-jets

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wzh7Hou3 ... fullscreen

Both of these clips do not answer my question, " What is all the fuss about? " but are good examples of the problems(?), complaints about low flying.

Charge for parking/access and carry on with the training.

[Blackcat1]

Good idea C24, it's like my towns car park, loads of spaces to park all year when you are charged, free parking from beginning of December & then it's full and impossible to find space.

[ColintheCaterpillar]

Why should she indeed! But as an aviation enthusiast, and as someone who was warned by others of the backlash of trouble it would cause, she could have had more thought to things than just the selfish 'me me me' need of posting her video on twatter!

I get your point, particularly the last bit.

[Drinkmat]

Perhaps some of the Barrack Room Lawyers on here could suggest a way of photographers to have their images and video vetted by someone before they have the nerve to post them on the internet. I would say that the pilot was at fault, but I wouldn't do that, as I don't have access to all of the information such as what happened when the pilot was de-briefed after landing, or if any action was taken against them. Obviously, some of the posters here do have the information, judging by some of the comments.

What I can say is that the photographer wasn't at fault. If the pilot flew outside of authorised limitations, that's one thing. The photographer broke no rules or regulations that I'm aware of. This site sometimes seems to emulate UKAR.

[Supra]

Respectfully, may I suggest that sometimes one is witness to an aviation event /action that is clearly not properly executed in the best way for the avoidance of increased risk of a major occurrence. If the said event doesn't escalate or get acknowledged elsewhere, is it strictly necessary as an 'armchair pilot' to bring-it forward to the attention of the Media & Doom-bringers, who then perhaps in this case, heap pressure on the RAF to respond? Clearly there are standards to be adhered-to in all walks of life, but surely it's in no aircraft enthusiasts interest to effectively 'dob-in' aircrew for the pure '5 minutes of fame' & self-gratification of being "the one who got it"? If one took the view that this alleged detraction posed a real threat to life / property & therefore should be addressed, then we are no better than the H&S spoilers so despised on the Forums for removing opportunities 'just-in-case!' Surely there's no requirement for vetting what people Post (also impossible IMO), it's purely down to the individuals integrity & moral-stance as to whether the posting of such an 'alleged incident' on a public platform is in anyone's best interests?
My own view on this is that this whole episode could be akin to the scum that drive like it's Sunday everyday, frustrating the poo out of others, baiting a reaction so they can give their subsequent dashcam footage to the Police & get anther LED for their Halo!

[ChrisCwmbran]

UKAR

Who or what is UKAR?

[mirage41]

UK airshow review.

[ChrisCwmbran]

Ah ok. Thanks.

[Pune]

The video in question is still there, take a look, then everyone will know what they are discussing..
https://twitter.com/dunibear/status/1054332235808161793

[stuie492]

For all we know this could of been a pilot on his last flight before leaving the RAF.....awesome way to bow out......pity the mach loop nerds didn't see it that way

[Thunder]

Doesn’t matter if it was their last or their first, rules were broken and things can go wrong very quickly. The Fairchild AFB B52 incident a number of years ago is a prime example.

[Agent K]

For all we know this could of been a pilot on his last flight before leaving the RAF.....awesome way to bow out......pity the mach loop nerds didn't see it that way

It’s “could have” and who are these nerds? The military? Or those who watch there? If you’ve any experience in flight operations you’ll know that rules are there for a reason and to break them is sheer foolishness.