Libya Update Thread - 48 hours for Libyan Freedom ??

[Mark Owen]

It looks like Canada are sending warplans to eforce the no fly zone.

Regards.

Mark.

[Gary]

Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission

Canada to send six CF-18s for Libya 'no-fly' mission

Updated: Thu Mar. 17 2011 18:52:59

CTV.ca News Staff

Canada will contribute six CF-18 fighter jets to help enforce a no-fly zone in Libya, sources have told CTV News.

"The Canadian government has made the decision late today that Canada will send six CF-18 fighter jets to join the Americans, the British and the French and other countries that will participate in imposing a no-fly zone," CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife reported Thursday.

After weeks of speculation the UN Security Council has moved to "establish a ban on all flights in the airspace" in the North African country and authorized "all necessary measures" to protect civilians, according to the draft version of a resolution.

The resolution also demanded an immediate ceasefire and called on Gadhafi to "take all measures to protect civilians and meet their basic needs."

Word of the resolution was greeted by celebrations in the rebel-held town of Benghazi. The UN vote came shortly after Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi warned of a massive military offensive on the town.

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[Flyingmonster]

Ok time for a stupid question - If you vote to have the NFZ does that mean you have to take part/ contribute to it?

[Flyingmonster]

Cheers Adam!

[Rich H]

Also surprised to see Lebanon voting for.

Lebanon has been at the forefront in pressing for a No Fly Zone.

TJ

Middle-East politics is always surprising! Hard to imagine a Hezbollah sponsored government supporting the evil and decadent West. Reminds me of the Arab proverb 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend'

[T_J]

I'd imagine Typhoon's from Coningsby are quite a likely option tbh. They'd have to get complete control of the airspace before looking at ground attack aircraft. Certianly, if its anything like Desert Shield in '91, the first in theatre were F-15Cs and E-3s. After that I imagine the GR4s will follow as some of the resoultion is to halt the advance of Libyan forces with immediate effect I believe.

One thing of interest is where they will be stationed. I can only imagine somewhere like Sigonella or Aviano at a push as Malta is just not large enough to deal with the amount of aircraft I expect their to be deployed.

Would welcome some other thoughts?

The easy option is for B-2s to JDAM (Joint Direct Attack Munition) the pro-Gaddafi airfields. That one action alone against the runways/intersections would put out of action most of the Libyan fixed wing assets. Time is of the essence now as Gaddafi has just announced that he will crush Benghazi.

TJ

[PR9]

Lebanese Hunters retired in 1993, but brought back into service 2008.
Photo of an active Lebanese Hunter dated Nov 2010 on airliners.
Only got about 3 though so can't see them taking part.

I like Hunters.

[Richard B]

No fly zone would mean shooting down any Aircraft that fly in any of the restricted areas that Nato deem.
will be know bombing, just intercept any hostile aircraft divert it back or shoot it down.

[ndfilter]

I just heard that Italy has said it's airspace is available for operations supporting the NFZ but it's still a long flight fro combat missions.

[markmarples]

How about the Hawk T1?

Never seen a Hawk with Paveway attached Doubt it would get off the ground

Then again some flights of Hawks have gone out of the UK today so who knows

not with paveways but ive got piccys of them with ALARMS!

[Snoop 95]

I imagine the UN is hoping that the Arab League countries will contribute the Lions Share of the assets required. The Algerians have already been mentioned and if the Saudis are 'in' then that should tip the balance decisively. Other countries like Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia etc have their own problems but may still wish to provide assets as a token gesture of unity. Western nations will similarly contribute, but will be restricted by committments elsewhere.
The UN resolution apparently allows for the protection of civilians by whatever means is necessary. So taking out tanks and other ground-based weapons is legitimised.

[markranger]

When you look at an F/A18 and F15E you can really see what a multirole aircraft brings to the table.
We have Tornado Gr4 Ground attack.
Typhoon Air defence.
Even if we had Harriers these again are pretty much ground attack.
This means we may have to send 2 types of aircraft to do the same job as the USA's 1.

Multirole is the way to go.

Mark.

[T_J]

not with paveways but ive got piccys of them with ALARMS!

Was it one of the export Hawk variants? Hawk 200?

Back in 1999 over Yugoslavia (Allied Force) at least one ALARM malfunctioned off the Tornado GRs and came down intact. You can imagine who got their hands on the internals?

One of the ALARMs on display in a Serbian museum.

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TJ

[markmarples]

no xx156 in trials there are piccys of it in Arthur Reeds book infact im making that one soon

[The Phantom]

When you look at an F/A18 and F15E you can really see what a multirole aircraft brings to the table.
We have Tornado Gr4 Ground attack.
Typhoon Air defence.
Even if we had Harriers these again are pretty much ground attack.
This means we may have to send 2 types of aircraft to do the same job as the USA's 1.

Multirole is the way to go.

Mark.

That's why i wish we had made F15E under licence instead of making Typhoon. They're a proven package and would have cost a substantial amount less than each Typhoon has ended up costing - which as it turned out would have left money to keep a Harrier fleet.

[T_J]

no xx156 in trials there are piccys of it in Arthur Reeds book infact im making that one soon

Thanks for the info!

Cheers

TJ

[markmarples]

Tj were going off topic but if you want anymore info PM me

back to topic now

[BOLLO]

I imagine the UN is hoping that the Arab League countries will contribute the Lions Share of the assets required. The Algerians have already been mentioned and if the Saudis are 'in' then that should tip the balance decisively. Other countries like Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia etc have their own problems but may still wish to provide assets as a token gesture of unity. Western nations will similarly contribute, but will be restricted by committments elsewhere.
The UN resolution apparently allows for the protection of civilians by whatever means is necessary. So taking out tanks and other ground-based weapons is legitimised.

Here's one for ya.When it come to taking out tanks,how are they going to sort out the rebel side from the Gaddaffi side.SF JTACS on the ground do you think caus I do not think they want to be taking out the wrong tanks seeing as they are suppose to be helping the rebels in a round about way.Just a thought.

[benyboy]

Cant be ours, they are all up here

[BOLLO]

They got transport up there do thy not,have Herc will deploy.?