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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by Mike » Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:56 am

Vulcanone wrote:
Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:48 pm
The B-52 landed in 1983, after the M11 was finished
I stand corrected and thanks for pointing that out, H & S certainly wouldn't allow anything like that to happen these days though! :thumb:

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by thevulcan » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:31 am

I think an ideal location would be kemble a nice long runway lots of room for new hangars. The owner of kemble is very keen for aviation and wants all forms including historic to be seen on the site and the airfield has a 50 year scrapping lease so no chance of houses for a while yet and it is located very centrally in the country.
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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by binbrook87 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:44 am

I think Kemble is a good shout as is Elvington perhaps?

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by Snoop 95 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:30 am

thevulcan wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:31 am
and it is located very centrally in the country.
Don't think so!

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by C24 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:32 am

Kemble would be a nice idea Vulcanone. Not too sure about

“ and it is located very centrally in the country. “

Perhaps you meant county ?

Always a shame to see kit just being scrapped but without lots of money it will always be the case.


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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by plmc135 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:57 am

Not sure that Kemble also has a long runway. Bruntingthorpe is 9843 ft compared to Kemble's 6561 ft. That would make a significant difference for a full power run. Elvington however is one foot shorter than Bruntingthorpe at 9842 ft.

I suspect that the cost of dismantling any aircraft in such a way that it can be re-assembled and still be able to perform ground runs would be extremely expensive.

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:05 am

plmc135 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:57 am
Not sure that Kemble also has a long runway. Bruntingthorpe is 9843 ft compared to Kemble's 6561 ft. That would make a significant difference for a full power run. Elvington however is one foot shorter than Bruntingthorpe at 9842 ft.

I suspect that the cost of dismantling any aircraft in such a way that it can be re-assembled and still be able to perform ground runs would be extremely expensive.
Bruntingthorpe’s most recent events were done with about 5-6000ft of runway available. Really this only restricts the big stuff.

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by thevulcan » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:08 am

Yeah sorry all silly autocorrect. The cost would probably be too high I doubt there is much chance of a one off flight anymore even with undercarriage locked etc. Really loved bruntingthorpe as a kid it will be a shame to see it go. Could they not limit the time the throttles are at full?
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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by binbrook87 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:17 am

And if they weren't content with Bruntingthorpe the same fleet management company plans the same fate for RAF Wyton 🙁

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:40 pm

plmc135 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:57 am
Not sure that Kemble also has a long runway. Bruntingthorpe is 9843 ft compared to Kemble's 6561 ft. That would make a significant difference for a full power run. Elvington however is one foot shorter than Bruntingthorpe at 9842 ft.

I suspect that the cost of dismantling any aircraft in such a way that it can be re-assembled and still be able to perform ground runs would be extremely expensive.
Worth noting that the length you’ve quoted for Kemble is probably the current published one too; it :thumb: has fairly significant “inset thresholds” these days so the figure of actual runway is near 7500-8000ft.

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by plmc135 » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:10 pm

Afraid not. The runway total length is, according to AIS circular, 6473 ft with the displaced thresholds reducing it to 6289 ft. :whistle:

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by burleysway » Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:48 pm

I remember Dave Walton saying in an interview once that his runway was 3200m which is 10498 feet. Not that it matters much now anyway. I volunteered up there from 2007- 2019. Will certainly miss the place....

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by Doughnut » Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:53 pm

The runway length, width and large hardstandings were provided by USAF. Built during the SAC expansion plans of the 1950's. Bruntingthorpe was seldom used although B-47's were based there in July 1957. Elvington was expanded at the same time, for the same reason.

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:39 am

plmc135 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:10 pm
Afraid not. The runway total length is, according to AIS circular, 6473 ft with the displaced thresholds reducing it to 6289 ft. :whistle:
I stand corrected. :D

Still plenty for taxiing.

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by Vulcanone » Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:11 am

C24 check you read posts first.

I never suggested Kemble or any other alternate location, thevulcan and Binbrook87 did however

Meanwhile, If folks actually wait to see what happens before writing the world off... Ah the joys of Social meedya

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by Toefur » Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:37 pm

I've heard rumours s.w.a.m at st athan was getting some Bruntingthorpe aircraft. I heard this last year!!

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by MRTT » Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:20 pm

A small selection of aircraft at Bruntingthorpe are owned by GJD Services, yes. Whether or not they end up at SWAM, remains to be seen.

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by mushbuster » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:33 pm

plmc135 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:10 pm
Afraid not. The runway total length is, according to AIS circular, 6473 ft with the displaced thresholds reducing it to 6289 ft. :whistle:
Such a runway length would render the airfield unuseable for operating B-47s in the 50s and 60s, a quick measure on Google earth suggests its the standard SAC runway length provided at all the B-47 operating locations in the UK which is close to 10,000 feet. FWIW Wiki suggests 3,000m/9843'

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Re: Bruntingthorpe news

Post by SPERX » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:10 pm

mushbuster wrote:
Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:33 pm
plmc135 wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 5:10 pm
Afraid not. The runway total length is, according to AIS circular, 6473 ft with the displaced thresholds reducing it to 6289 ft. :whistle:
Such a runway length would render the airfield unuseable for operating B-47s in the 50s and 60s, a quick measure on Google earth suggests its the standard SAC runway length provided at all the B-47 operating locations in the UK which is close to 10,000 feet. FWIW Wiki suggests 3,000m/9843'
There is a difference between the physical length, or indeed width, of a runway and what is published as being available. Back in the mid 1980s the paved landing strip at RAF Manston was around 300 feet wide, but only the central 100' or so part of it was published as the width. In fact it was only that central 100' that had any form of modern friction surface, the shoulders as we termed them were fairly rough concrete panels as laid in WW2. Thus, in 2020 Google earth may show approximately 10,000' of paved surface, but it is likely that the AIS puiblished length is what is in fact avaiulable as runway.
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