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Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Pete_uk » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:42 pm

The Phantom wrote:Oh my god - i've just watched that linked video! At first i thought it was some sort of car park until it was pointed out about trafic lights - and when i looked again you can see the road and traffic. Those poor people. This is a dark tragic day.

I know, I have just seen the video and its really grim. Shook me up for some reason. :'(

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by TankBuster » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:58 pm

Very frustrating to hear the reporters clutching at straws and getting the facts wrong. Sky keep referring to the Hunter as a WW2 aircraft. I just wish they would hold fire and wait for the airshow officials and emergency services to make an official statement regarding the incident.

People have lost their lives today in a tragic airshow incident, and that is really is all the media need to say about it, up until a point when they know the real facts.

So sad to see those pictures, they say it all. Absolutely horrific :( .

RIP

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by page_verify » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:10 pm

Seven confirmed as killed, 1 in a critical condition. And that chaps, regardless of the cause, is the end of air shows as we know them. The last person killed at a British air show was back in the 1950s.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by roughcutter » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:12 pm

TankBuster wrote:Very frustrating to hear the reporters clutching at straws and getting the facts wrong. Sky keep referring to the Hunter as a WW2 aircraft. I just wish they would hold fire and wait for the airshow officials and emergency services to make an official statement regarding the incident.

People have lost their lives today in a tragic airshow incident, and that is really is all the media need to say about it, up until a point when they know the real facts.

So sad to see those pictures, they say it all. Absolutely horrific :( .

RIP

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Tailplane » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:18 pm

The BBC showed a picture of a light aircraft crash at Sandown and reported the pilot as recovering in hospital.

Even by bad aviation reporting standards, this is the pits.


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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by 1979bree » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:51 pm

Tragic incident that is bound to change Airshows in the future. Even if the Aviation Authorities dont introduce restrictive rules Ive no doubt there will be massive Insurance repercussions.
As for poor reporting and Social Networking comments.....Ive seen and read some complete rubbish today including one idiot reporting that the aircraft had suffered a double engine flameout ????

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by thorny1a » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:00 pm

This was the first time I have witnessed such a tragic crash at an airshow. Everyone with a passion for aviation realises that there is always potential for things to go wrong, but to see it with your own eyes just hits home so much more. The applause from the crowd to the subsequent flypast of the Sea Vixon & XH558 was as spontaneous as it was moving. I have a ticket for tomorrow's show, so no matter if it goes ahead or not, I'll place some flowers by the control tower or near the entrance. It feels like a pretty insignificant gesture, but just such a tragic accident & horrific circumstances for all those families who have lost loved one's & those injured. My thoughts & prayers to the pilot too, doing a job he undoubtedly had great pride & passion for, displaying that beautiful aircraft to the public.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Mark Owen » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:23 pm

thorny1a wrote:This was the first time I have witnessed such a tragic crash at an airshow. Everyone with a passion for aviation realises that there is always potential for things to go wrong, but to see it with your own eyes just hits home so much more. The applause from the crowd to the subsequent flypast of the Sea Vixon & XH558 was as spontaneous as it was moving. I have a ticket for tomorrow's show, so no matter if it goes ahead or not, I'll place some flowers by the control tower or near the entrance. It feels like a pretty insignificant gesture, but just such a tragic accident & horrific circumstances for all those families who have lost loved one's & those injured. My thoughts & prayers to the pilot too, doing a job he undoubtedly had great pride & passion for, displaying that beautiful aircraft to the public.

Tomorrows show has been cancelled conformed by the organisers on Sky News.

Regards.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Jaymer15 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:29 pm

Sky News has just reported that Sussex Police will be giving an update at 8:45pm.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:52 pm

page_verify wrote:Seven confirmed as killed, 1 in a critical condition. And that chaps, regardless of the cause, is the end of air shows as we know them. The last person killed at a British air show was back in the 1950s.
Biggin Hill 1979?

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Thunder » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:07 pm

ColintheCaterpillar wrote:
page_verify wrote:Seven confirmed as killed, 1 in a critical condition. And that chaps, regardless of the cause, is the end of air shows as we know them. The last person killed at a British air show was back in the 1950s.
Biggin Hill 1979?
1977

There's a photo on the ITV news site that shows the Hunter moments from impact. Standing at the side of the A27 outside the Sussex Pad Hotel are about 50 people. They couldn't have been any more than 20 meters from the impact, how the hell the death wasn't considerably more is a miracle.

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-08-2 ... m-airshow/
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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Undertaker » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:12 pm

Yes I remember the 1977 crash at Biggin between DH82 G-ANDE and Bell 206 G-AVSN,

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Mike » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:14 pm

Thunder wrote:
ColintheCaterpillar wrote:
page_verify wrote:Seven confirmed as killed, 1 in a critical condition. And that chaps, regardless of the cause, is the end of air shows as we know them. The last person killed at a British air show was back in the 1950s.
Biggin Hill 1979?
1977
Was that the collision between a helicopter and a Tiger Moth? If so, it didn't involve any spectators.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Undertaker » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:22 pm

No spectators as such but I believe the passengers on board the Bell were on a 'joyride'

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Thunder » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:22 pm

Yes it was, the helicopter was taking passengers on pleasure flights so I suppose they were spectators just not on the ground at the time.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by 1979bree » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:14 pm

BBC now reporting that the pilot is alive....in critical condition but alive.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by Blackcat1 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:08 pm

Former Harrier pilot and BA captain. I do hope he pulls through. Shocking! Poor people, RIP
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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by claydon_dan » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:24 pm

Having only just got home from the Airshow, I can say first hand that it was a horrific to witness such an accident.

The crowd at the airshow fell silent, as we watched the Airports' own emergency vehicles race to the scene. Despite all that had happened the Airshow staff remained extremely professional updating us with what little information they had.

As for the crowds of people, who were then stuck at the airfield... The mood turned very somber whilst we all tried to take stock of what we'd witnessed.

I must say a huge thank you to the Sea Vixen and XH558 for their moving, simple flypasts and for the Airshow staff for allowing these to be done.

I'm sure it goes without saying our thoughts our with those have lost their lives or been injured today, the pilot who is in a critical condition and of course his family & friends.

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by davedubya » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:11 pm

Don't know if this video of the incident has been posted already (obviously, sensitive viewing, so don't watch if need be) - http://fubble.eu/File/Details?link=c185 ... 7d090c194b

Does anyone with a bit more knowledge perhaps know why the aircraft appears to lose stability coming of the loop? (around the 18/19 second mark) Could that be due to lack of thrust or loss of control surfaces?

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Re: Hawker Hunter crashed at Shoreham

Post by TankBuster » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:29 pm

roughcutter wrote:
TankBuster wrote:Very frustrating to hear the reporters clutching at straws and getting the facts wrong. Sky keep referring to the Hunter as a WW2 aircraft. I just wish they would hold fire and wait for the airshow officials and emergency services to make an official statement regarding the incident.

People have lost their lives today in a tragic airshow incident, and that is really is all the media need to say about it, up until a point when they know the real facts.

So sad to see those pictures, they say it all. Absolutely horrific :( .

RIP

TankBuster
Look at them all clamouring for a deal on twitter, snouts in the trough :grr:
I have been absolutely disgusted by some of the medias behaviour today, it really is awful that some of these reporters are in such a rush to bag a story first that they blurt out complete garbage!... WWII Hunter aircraft, pilot lost power, pilot was too low, pilot was pulled from cockpit... and all this info was blurting out within 30 mins of the incident occurring! Some of these reporters are @rses!!!

Fair enough that eye witnesses say things as they see them, and of course there is nothing at all wrong in that, because all of this info will eventually be extremely valuable to the authorities in their investigations.
But, when a news reporter creates a story from the first information they get from an eye witness without even at least checking it for some facts and accuracy then that is just like a red rag to a bull for me, I'd like to throttle them through my TV set :grr: . And as for showing the video footage on TV and the graphic fireball image of the Hunter amongst the cars, that is just completely insensitive to those families and friends who have lost people today. The media today should be bl@@dy ashamed of themselves!

Thoughts go out to all those families who have suffered today, I cannot imagine how they will deal with this terrible day :( . Much respect goes out to the airshow organisers and emergency services who acted swiftly to ensure a rapid response to the scene of the incident.

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