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Strategic Defence Review - 2025

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Yunglee » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:47 am

C-Harvey wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:54 am
Three questions spring to mind.

In ten to fifteen years time,

Who and where will we be attacking and why?
Who - Putin's had lots to say on the demise of the Soviet Union >>>
2005 - https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna7632057
2014 - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26769481
2021 - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pu ... 021-12-12/
2024 - https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... an-empire/

Russia aiming to rebuild armied forces >>>
https://kyivindependent.com/russia-can- ... ief-warns/
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia- ... dis-warns/
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/russia- ... er/3518727
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62v63gl8rvo

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Malcolm » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:54 am

Harkins wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:54 am
Malcolm wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:31 pm
It's the 138 jets in service at the same time that will never happen. The current 'plan' is 138 jets over the lifetime of the program, and with the carriers supposedly going into the 2060's there is no way the jets currently in service will last that long. I'd expect the number in service at any one time to be capped at around 65-75, and Marham can cope with that many. Once the oldest jets get to the end of their lives they're retired and replaced with new builds.
Not been near Marham since its facelift, but can it really accommodate up to 75 jets? And where do they live these days? Are they mixed between large hangars and HASs? Just thinking a bit about the recent drone job on Putins nuke force and how vulnerable the F-35s might be. I guess if things got to that level of tension they may already be dispersed.
The current google earth images show 12 HAS's in the south western shelter area, and another 12 HAS's in the eastern shelter area. In the Tornado days it was fairly common to put two jets in one HAS. So in theory that's 48 secure parking spots in HAS's in addition to the 20 or so sun sheds. Then you've got the large north and southside hangars for spannering before you start worrying about the older northside cold war hangars.

With an in-service fleet of 75 you can guestimate that 3 will be in the USA for testing, probably 4-6 at Cherry Point for upgrades leaving perhaps 60-65 actually at Marham. It's not unreasonable for 25-30% of a fleet to be in the hangars for regular maintainance so of that 60-65 you probably only need to accomodate 40-50 in HAS's or sun shelters for day to day use.

I'm a lot less bothered about the vulnerability of the F-35's at Marham than the Voyagers at Brize. The F-35's (and Typhoons) ain't goin' nowhere (nukes or no nukes) without tanker support.

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by C24 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:13 am

Remember one of the concepts of having a Harrier type aircraft?

Aim for the runway and destroying the fast jets becomes unimportant. We have fewer operational airfields for dispersal and less money to pay for the people and dreams of politicians/glory seeking senior officers of all three services

We need to plan but realistically.
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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by raptor9 » Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:21 am

Watched Sky News special report this morning, drones, drones and even more drones will be the answer at the sharp point of any future war, both for defence and attack.

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Finty » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:50 pm

raptor9 wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:21 am
Watched Sky News special report this morning, drones, drones and even more drones will be the answer at the sharp point of any future war, both for defence and attack.

Manned aircraft still have a role to play, the reason why drones are so prolific/effective in Ukraine is partly because neither side has air dominance.
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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Vulcanone » Thu Jun 26, 2025 2:31 pm

Finty wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:50 pm
raptor9 wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 11:21 am
Watched Sky News special report this morning, drones, drones and even more drones will be the answer at the sharp point of any future war, both for defence and attack.

Manned aircraft still have a role to play, the reason why drones are so prolific/effective in Ukraine is partly because neither side has air dominance.
Assuming the Ukraine and Russian guys with the Yak-52s with machine guns in the rear cockpit don't get some of them.... For those that haven't seen some footage on various Social Meedya.... Mostly on MuskTwotter) or Great Big Musk Twitter or whatever... oh yes thats it.... X !!

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Supra » Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:56 am

C24 wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:13 am
Remember one of the concepts of having a Harrier type aircraft?

Aim for the runway and destroying the fast jets becomes unimportant. We have fewer operational airfields for dispersal and less money to pay for the people and dreams of politicians/glory seeking senior officers of all three services

We need to plan but realistically.
That'll be why some of the forward-thinking Countries practice operating off highways?
Slight but significant issue with that in the UK is that the potential the potential runways are ether chock full of queuing traffic going to Ikea (other tat furniture stores are available!)
or has lane closures for never-ending 'smart' improvements! :lol:

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Vulcanone » Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:00 am

Supra wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 8:56 am
C24 wrote:
Thu Jun 26, 2025 10:13 am
Remember one of the concepts of having a Harrier type aircraft?

Aim for the runway and destroying the fast jets becomes unimportant. We have fewer operational airfields for dispersal and less money to pay for the people and dreams of politicians/glory seeking senior officers of all three services

We need to plan but realistically.
That'll be why some of the forward-thinking Countries practice operating off highways?
Slight but significant issue with that in the UK is that the potential the potential runways are ether chock full of queuing traffic going to Ikea (other tat furniture stores are available!)
or has lane closures for never-ending 'smart' improvements! :lol:
You forgot the endless trenches, sorry Potholes....

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Crusty » Sat Jun 28, 2025 11:27 am

Can the F35A carry a B61 internally?

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Nighthawke » Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:00 pm

Just one link from pasting your exact words into Google (so simple), but the short answer is yes - in fact two:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/milita ... ry-a-nuke/

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by Vulcanone » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:04 pm

Crusty wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 11:27 am
Can the F35A carry a B61 internally?
Given that the USAF has certified it to carry them, where exactly do you think it will be fitted. I mean Stealthy Internal weapons bay is errrr exactly what it says on the tin....

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Re: Strategic Defence Review - 2025

Post by T_J » Sat Jun 28, 2025 1:46 pm

Crusty wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 11:27 am
Can the F35A carry a B61 internally?
See following link which has video of internal carriage and drop of B61.

https://www.twz.com/air/f-35a-is-offici ... ear-strike

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