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Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

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Re: Avro Shackleton ground runs

Post by richw_82 » Wed May 21, 2014 7:25 pm

Hot weather this weekend but maintenance goes on... a new hydraulic hand pump supplied by the Victor XL231 team at Elvington has been built up with a new handle and correct fittings; and fitted into the No 3 nacelle. The old one is shown close up, and quite obvious is the failed seal which let full engine driven hydraulic pressure act upon its piston, shearing the pushrod. The new one was fitted, the fluid topped up and the lines bled off. We could then drop the flaps, and close the bomb doors, bleeding more parts of the system; but there is still air in the system. Overall though it works and is leak free! More OM15 will be added next week and another bleeding carried out to purge the last of the air.


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The CSU on No 1 engine was reset and is ready to try out on the next run, it shouldn't drop into feather range this time. From fine pitch (maximum revs) to coarse pitch (minimum revs) the arm has 61 degrees of movement. The next 19 degrees of movement puts it into feather range. This movement at the CSU has to correspond with the movement of the pitch levers in the cockpit. With the wear in WR963's linkages the CSU was into its feather range before the lever in the cockpit was past its gate. The adjustments we have done at the engine put it back into its correct position against the setting in the cockpit.

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Some general maintenance was done in and around the No 3 engine nacelle, involving lubricating various fasteners and fittings, and replacing a couple of DZUS fasteners that had broken or worn. Interesting to find was more Lancaster/Lincoln DNA in the wing... the inboard flap carries on across above the nacelle, but on the Shackleton it is split; as the rear of the nacelle doesn't move with the flap. Hinge and flap are still there though, though only a small portion of it moves!

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Now for some good news... we had a meeting recently with a top notch company willing to give A8-20 E4/M5 support to the Shackleton so things have just taken another big step forward. We will be upping our fundraising efforts as a result, to include making a HLF application in the near future. We may have mentioned it before, but we really need your help to see WR963 fly again now more than ever! If you haven't already donated we encourage you to do so, as every little helps get a Shackleton closer to flight.


Regards,

Rich

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Re: Avro Shackleton ground runs

Post by richw_82 » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:25 am

WR963 will be carrying out a ground run on 14th June at 1pm. Usual access around the aircraft until we get ready to start up.

Regards,

Rich

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by richw_82 » Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:42 pm

Hi all,

Sorry for the lack of updates, the back end of 2014 wasn't great for me but I'm trying to get on top of things again. The work on WR963 has been continuing though!


So... 2015 is here and what have we been up to? Well, we've mostly been hefting propellers about, and on a Shackleton there's plenty of them to go around.

Investigation into the No 4 prop oil leak revealed some issues that had long been hidden from years gone by; probably during her time as WL790's propeller test bed. This included fitting a vital part that had either perished and been destroyed, or may have been overlooked when the prop was fitted - an O-ring that goes right next to the rear propellers rear cone. So with a team comprising of one ex-Shack engineer (camlobe), a rigger turned grollie (hunterxf382) and plenty of willing hands, the propellers from No 4 engine were removed, cleaned, and refitted.

Then it was onto No 3. This propeller had a badly cracked backplate on the front propeller, fortunately we had a few spares in store.

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With the team getting better at prop removals, this was the site that met visitors after an hour or so of us being on site...

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While it was off it allowed the cleaning of a lot of accumulated oil and grime. 24 years worth by the look of things inside this spinner shell.

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We were also able to clean around the rear propeller and translation unit.

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It seems trivial, but it helps massively with tracing any leaks if and when they happen. Once things were as they should be and with the new backplate fitted it was time to get the whole lot back together again.

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All the other props are now being checked for similar issues, which has turned up some stiff/seized spinner latches, and and no other problems.

Around the rest of the aircraft the ongoing saga of the hydraulic hand pump resulted in a second attempt at fixing it. We ended up fitting a brand new one, as the ex Elvington one kept things working long enough to get to the end of teh year, then suffered a similar failure to the last one meaning it wouldn't pump fluid around the system. Despite it being funny to watch new volunteers trying to pump the bomb doors open with it, something had to be done and replacing it was the speediest way to solve the issue. Both old pumps are being rebuilt to provide a source of spares should we need them in the future.

Fitting the new pump meant we could inspect the flap operating jack and if necessary replace it, as there has been a telltale weep of fluid from around that area.

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Thankfully the weep was nothing serious and the jack won't have to be replaced. We did find that the rubber gaitors that take the flap operating tubes through to the wing have perished and fallen away though, so we'll be back in here again at some point soon once replacements are found.

The front bomb bay doors are now open, as we're reviewing our options as to how best to reinstate these, and the way forwards is looking to be using the drawings and a significant amount of manufacturing new half ribs to fill the gap. Even with a chunk missing, the full length of the bomb door does look rather good, and eases the servicing of the throttle and pitch control systems.

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So thats the aircraft. Now what of her future?

Well, in 2012 the Shackleton Preservation Trust announced the decision to attempt to return a Shackleton to the skies and since then most of what has been done since has been maintaining the aircraft in a ground running condition. Three weeks ago, things took a significant step fowards in that we had a visit from the Civilian Aviation Authorities, and following discussion with them during the day the green light was given to proceed with the restoration to flight.

As a consequence the way we have been doing work, recording it, and the way we will be doing things as we take things forward is under review to meet the requirements of the authorities. The majority of pieces in the puzzle are in place (hangarage arrangements, spares, tech documents and manuals etc, etc) and there is feverous activity happening behind the scenes in getting the word out and chasing up more support. This will hopefully allow us to make swifter progress towards our goal, and we'll increase our efforts accordingly and step up the pace of work on the Shackleton herself.


Regards,

Rich W
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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by napalm42 » Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:33 pm

Great news - fantastic work by all :clap:

I last saw `963 flying at Abingdon Air Day in 1980,I believe.

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by JAWS » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:30 pm

Very interesting and some great work by all involved . Would love to see a Shack in the air next time I'm over the pond .
Regards Steve............

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by richw_82 » Tue Mar 31, 2015 8:45 pm

Hi all,

Work is still ongoing. The first attempt to wake WR963 this year only to find another oil leak behind No 4 propeller.... so it has to come off again. This sparked the hunt for a "Gits" seal that goes around the two propweller shafts where they come out of the reduction gear housing, some of which we apparently have in store. Somewhere...

In the meantine I'll leave this link here for our Kickstarter project. We're fundraising towards the structural inspections required on WR963; and have put together some interesting rewards - including the unique chance to experience a taxy run in the aircraft from the vantage point of the co-pilots seat!


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/18 ... -to-flight


Kind regards,

Rich

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by flyingslug_0 » Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:00 am

It was an honor to visit a few weeks ago. All the hard work that is put in I hope will be rewarded. :thumbs: :thumbs:

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by richw_82 » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:18 am

Great photos! We certainly hope the hard work will pay off... the steps left to flying are becoming fewer and more defined. :)

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by richw_82 » Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:41 am

To add to the last posts - here's a a look inside the wing from a few weeks ago. Not bad for an aircraft that has been outdoors on grass for so long!

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by condor » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:06 pm

Looks good , in fact better looking than the ''modern'' Avro [ Parrot , Wigwam , Advanced Tech Problem ] in the background .

rgds condor

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by richw_82 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:57 pm

Hi all,

With 13 days to go we're just over £8000 towards our structural inspections. We really need your help if we're going to make it!

Besides the taxi run, there are also Griffon pistons, a Michael Rondot Shackleton print, polo shirts and other things available as rewards for different levels of support. We know the Kickstarter platform is a bit clunky to use and requires sign up; but we really would appreciate it if people could take the time - even if its £1 it helps get WR963 closer to flight.

We haven't had the begging bowl out until now, having made it from a dead aeroplane up to a taxying, live and growling Avro masterpiece. We need help to go that little bit further.

Again, help if you can; or share the information if you can't directly.


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/18 ... -to-flight


Kind regards,

Rich

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by richw_82 » Fri May 22, 2015 9:48 am

Hi all,

I thought I'd post a little update into progress over the past couple of weeks. As always its two steps forward, one back as the run up on 2nd May did not go at all according to plan.


The event itself? Fantastic from our point of view. The crowd must have easily been a couple of thousand people despite the slightly grey and cold conditions, and the queue to get on board WR963 for a look around stretched out towards the wingtip most of the day. We made a lot of new friends, met a few old ones, and made a lot of people aware of what our intent is for the Shackleton.

So you can imagine our frustration when No 3 just turned on the starter, peed fuel out the priming drain and refused to do so much as cough! We believed the problem to be in the booster coil connection to the magneto or the mag itself, as while there was plenty of fuel there wasn't even a hint of life in the engine, it felt as if we were turning it over with the switches off.

The rest of the run-up went fairly well, and with careful management of the brake pressures (only one compressor available because No 3 was U/S) we still managed to exercise things and blow out the cobwebs after a fairly lengthy quiet period over winter. Then came the bigger problem. After settling the engines down and bringing them to a halt, the starboard undercarriage indicator flickered then went from a 'green' indication to a 'red'. Never has that tiny little light looked so evil or so bright...

We got off the aircraft fairly carefully and thanks to the crowd barriers were able to keep everyone away. Tentative checking of all the ground locks was done before venturing into the undercarriage bay to see what the problem was, as none of us wanted to see WR963 take up a reclining position, or for one of us to get intimate with a mainwheel. A quick check of the jacks and the downlocks showed the inboard hydraulic ram had crept back just enough to set the switch to open and show the red. With persuasion the ram would come out to its full extent, but soon crept back again. The decision was taken to manually adjust the lock to prevent any creep from the ram inadvertantly unlocking the leg, and unfortunately to limit access to the aircraft for the time being.


Fast forward to a couple of weeks later and the team were on site from just before 10am to just after 9pm; determined to get to the bottom of things.

The intent of the day's work was to try and trace the problem that caused the red light on the Starboard undercarriage and if possible fix it, it was thought that one of the valves was not properly selecting 'down' and preventing hydraulic pressure to the rams. So out came the multimeters and they started getting pushed into various places on WR963 and the problem was slowly traced back to the wire from the undercarriage selector switch in the cockpit to the 'down' selector valve in the starboard undercarriage bay. It appears to have a short to earth in the starboard wing leading edge area. Normally one side of it is always live - so you have either an up selection, or a down selection. In this case both sides are unpowered so the hydraulics are 'free'.

The complete undercarriage system on that side is not being supplied with hydraulic pressure to ensure the gear stays down and locked, and because of this, the starboard inboard ram was allowed to retract in an uncommanded fashion - unlocking the leg. Because we haven't managed to replace the damaged/shorted wire yet, WR963 is still closed to the public for the time being, meanwhile we're getting stuck into the manuals and planning the best course of action for getting to and repairing it.

As this work was going on, so were other bits around the aircraft.

While working in the undercarriage bays, Mark Ward and his son Curtis have been making amazing progress. This is a before and after shot of one of the undercarriage locks. As we're overhauling things there will be a retraction test at some point, and the locks have had precious little attention in the last 25 years other than making sure that they are positively engaged..

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As mentioned, work was also being carried out on No 3 engine, and as predicted the problem seemed to be related to the boost coil. Initally there was some head scratching as there seemed to be no output from the booster coil despite it buzzing away merrily. Investigation slowly narrowed things down and it was found that while the primary coil was doing its job, the secondary coil had failed. A replacement was fitted from our stock and once the undercarriage issue is sorted we will be able to try and test run the engine.

Time was taken during the day to have a look at our latest acquisition, a hydraulic servicing rig.

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As its been stood for some time it was suffering from stale petrol, a seized clutch and a few other issues, but by the end of the day it was turning over freely with good oil pressure. Would it start? No. As often with WR963, a magneto fault of all things...

Last but by no means least, some work in the drawing archive, which is slowly coming back into some kind of order due to the efforts of SPT team member Michelle Mclaughlin. We had to dig out some more drawings for use in a certain plastic model project, and these will be dispatched shortly. When looking through the manifest, once again we were reminded how much Avro DNA is within the Shackleton.

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All in all a fairly productive day, and we'll be back on the 30th.

Regards,

Rich

(Photos courtesy of Mark Ward, Michelle Mclaughlin and Phil Woods)

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by Tally-ho » Fri May 22, 2015 1:03 pm

richw_82 wrote:Hi all,

I thought I'd post a little update into progress over the past couple of weeks ....

.... and we'll be back on the 30th.

Regards,

Rich
Thank you for the comprehensive update and pictures!

Regardless of the issue with the No 3 engine on the day, it was still a highlight to hear and see the Shackleton come to life. Below are two pictures I took on the 2nd of May during the display. Click on the pictures if you wish to see a full size view.

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That No 3 playing up ...

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A puff of smoke as No 1 fires up

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Re: Avro Shackleton WR963 - updates

Post by razor23uk » Fri May 22, 2015 1:56 pm

Wow...excellent work guys. The last time I saw a Shack flying was in the 80's in S Wales at the the St Athans airday :thumbs:
Living in the far west of Wales, where no military aircraft play

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