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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by garyscott » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:24 pm

Did the pilotless Mustang come down in clear ground? :(

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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by Monty » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:25 pm

Spirit of Kitty Hawk wrote:From what I saw I'd say the Mustang is a compete write off :(

I didn't witness the initial collision myself (Was looking at the next formation!) But from talking to other people beside me it sounds like the Skyraider somehow turned inside the Mustang and caught its wing.

What I witnessed was the three ship formation of the Skyraider on the far rank, Mustang 'Big Beautiful Doll' leading the formation in the middle and the Horsemans Mustang 'February' on the nearest flank, Big Beautiful Doll then pulled up and turned away to break out of the formation, route down wind and land when the Skyraiders right hand wing some how collided with the Mustangs left hand wing. The Skyraider then broke away, stabilised and routed down wind to land safely. The Mustang however did not manage to recover from the collision and managed to get over head the field just off the end of Duxford. As the Mustang then nose dived into the ground the pilot managed to jump out and open his parachute roughly 400ft from the ground.
Having seen the whole incident this is pretty much what happened. BBD pulled up out of formation and started banking round onto the downwind leg, soon after (from what i saw sooner than usual) the Skyraider broke from the formation (he did not pull up as BBD did) and started banking harder than BBD. As both aircraft banked to establish themselves on the downwind leg the Skyraider, having turned inside BBD, hit BBD from below and behind with its starboard wing. Both aircraft then seemed to 'tumble' the Skyraider then stabilized itself and very quickly headed round and landed missing just under a third of its wing. I did not see what happened to the P-51 (at first thought it had also stabilized and had headed away from the airfield) but my mum said she had seen a parachute come from the P-51. Have to say i was at the far end of the airfield so i may have got some of that wrong due to the perspective i viewed it from. Just very glad both pilots are OK.
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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by SamP » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:34 pm

That's exactly what I was told happened Dan, so thanks for confirming that! Look like it's the Skyraider pilots fault then, such a shame, he certainly did look very shaken up after he got down :(

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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by Ben Montgomery » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:38 pm

Let's not point the finger of blame yet, it's not our place to do so.

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Post by Blue Diamond » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:40 pm

The damaged Skyraider.
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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by Monty » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:42 pm

Spirit of Kitty Hawk wrote:That's exactly what I was told happened Dan, so thanks for confirming that! Look like it's the Skyraider pilots fault then, such a shame, he certainly did look very shaken up after he got down :(
From what i saw it looked as though the Skyraider pilot wouldn't have been able to see BBD due to his wing obscuring his view. Have to say it wasn't a good day for the two french Skyraider's as the other one came very close to colliding with a Spitfire on finals during their display, this led to him abandoning the rest of his display.
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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by BOLLO » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:43 pm

Blimey that a big chunk gone,thank the lord they both made it out ok.
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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by MacksAviation » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:44 pm

Can someone confirm where BBD actually came down ?

Clear of the airfield and/or away from the naughty field ?

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Post by FTS » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:45 pm

Does anyone know if Duxford have requested people to hold off on posting images/videos of the incident at all?
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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by garyscott » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:46 pm

Ben Montgomery wrote:Let's not point the finger of blame yet, it's not our place to do so.
Indeed. Its an ACCIDENT.

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Post by FTS » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:47 pm

MacksAviation wrote:Can someone confirm where BBD actually came down ?

Clear of the airfield and/or away from the naughty field ?
It came down pretty far away. Thankfully they were in one of the last vics to run in. If they had been earlier then...
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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by SamP » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:52 pm

Ben Montgomery wrote:Let's not point the finger of blame yet, it's not our place to do so.

Quite rightly, apologies

I can understand that the Skyraider's view will have been limited. If im honest I don't quite get why the Skyraider was in the left flank of two Mustangs and not in the middle of the formation in the first place, but when you're in a formation like that there are numerous things that can go wrong. Big hand to the Skyraider pilot for getting it down in that state

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Post by BOLLO » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:07 pm

Just been looking at some shots of the lads who looked after her prepping her for the weekend.God, you got to feel for those chaps as well. :( :(
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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by Thunder » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:12 pm

FTS wrote:Does anyone know if Duxford have requested people to hold off on posting images/videos of the incident at all?

Why would they, surely if you've paid money into an event then any images that you have taken are yours to do what you want with them.

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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by Monique » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:13 pm

I can confirm the Skyraider pulled up and into the Mustang. His starboard wing connected with the bottom of the Mustang's fus in the tailwheel area.

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Post by FTS » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:54 pm

Thunder wrote:
FTS wrote:Does anyone know if Duxford have requested people to hold off on posting images/videos of the incident at all?

Why would they, surely if you've paid money into an event then any images that you have taken are yours to do what you want with them.
The last aviation 'incident' i witnessed was the Victor flight and they requested to hold images after it, so i don't want to step on anyone's toes by posting anything.
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Post by DamienB » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:08 pm

Indeed, post images and the Daily Mail will just steal them and use them on their website within minutes anyway!
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Post by MacksAviation » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:21 pm

Good to know that the two pilots are "OK" and that BBD fell in open countryside.

There is an image on Key Publishing showing what appears another incident at Duxford today as well :(

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Did anyone else see this ?

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Re: Duxford incident?

Post by Monique » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:24 pm

Saw this too, he got a gust from an aircraft running up on the flightline. Dug a wingtip in and onto it's nose. Nothing serious.

I did wonder though, with this and the other accident, the response from the crashvans was slow to say the least?

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Post by The W.A.V.E » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:39 pm

Thankfully both pilots are safe and well, but here is my problem.

Personally i have never seen such dangerous flying as i witnessed today!

Several near misses were witnessed by myself and my friends on the day. Fortunately we left before the unfortunate accident happened.
However we did witness a tri plane in German markings clip its wing on the ground on landing (very unfortunate) and end nose down in the dirt. Fortunately the pilot was uninjured.

Then we saw an aircraft (the one with bombs hanging from its wings - Skyraider???) come in to go low level and almost collides with two landing Spitfires. My mate has a photo of them almost colliding and the next one of the Skyraider pulling out in a steep climb to avoid them. He aborted the rest of his display and just kept in a distant circuit until the rest of the display finished and then came in to land without displaying further.

I love Duxford but think some of the displays flying low over other aircraft taking off were too close for comfort and too many aircraft came over the crowd line. Dont get me wrong it all added to the thrill of the day, but an accident was waiting to happen today and im just pleased i didnt witness this one. Even my friend who is an ex F-3 pilot said it was dangerous.

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