ADS-B Exchange sold to private equity firm

[XWP29]

It’s unlikely that an organisation powered by free feeders which provides/sells data to business customers would jeopardise that model. The pay off for the amateur is the tracking info we use in our hobby.
Might be worth reading down this thread: https://bird.trom.tf/search?f=tweets&q=thebaldgeek
Until till there’s any other news there’s no news imho.

[skippyscage]

I'm not stopping feeding until we see what they do with the feeders and if they start to block traffic

There's no way they can have decent coverage without independent feeders, and which in turn they need to give back an incentive to feed if they start a pay to play model.

ADSBx is the only current model as far as I know that gives nothing back for feeding and is completely open to everyone at the same time - all the others give an extra incentive to feed data, which is they only way they can survive.

...and yes we need more ground stations on the excellent PlanePlotter, especially in the US. Yes it takes more time to setup, but what you can do with it is frankly outstanding.

[POL]

A replacement has been mentioned. Obviously it's going to take a while to get it up to the levels of ADS-B Exchange but please share it far and wide!

https://globe.adsb.fi/tar1090/

Here is the doc to update your feeds, https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2P ... aTcyJ_/pub

[zero_gravity]

I'm not stopping feeding until we see what they do with the feeders and if they start to block traffic

There's no way they can have decent coverage without independent feeders, and which in turn they need to give back an incentive to feed if they start a pay to play model.

ADSBx is the only current model as far as I know that gives nothing back for feeding and is completely open to everyone at the same time - all the others give an extra incentive to feed data, which is they only way they can survive.

...and yes we need more ground stations on the excellent PlanePlotter, especially in the US. Yes it takes more time to setup, but what you can do with it is frankly outstanding.

Thanks for that . PP is software designed for aviation enthusiasts by aviation enthusiasts , not a commercial web based product to make money out of the generosity of those who share their data.
Being a private network means we do not have to abide by the conditions of the FAA BARR list [ ASDI BLOCK LIST ] and users can create their own database or use the one provided , which is updated monthly by dedicated enthusiasts.

ZG
PP support

[zero_gravity]

A replacement has been mentioned. Obviously it's going to take a while to get it up to the levels of ADS-B Exchange but please share it far and wide!

https://globe.adsb.fi/tar1090/

Here is the doc to update your feeds, https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2P ... aTcyJ_/pub

Interesting that suddenly new players appear.
The cynic in me wonders if these folk have seen how quickly a profit can be made out of unsuspecting "sharers" and they are keen to have a go.
Are ADS-B Ex going to share their windfall with the people who made it all possible , those who shared their data with them , or are they going to cut and run.?

For those real aviation enthusiasts , who want a network run by like minded individuals who are not profit driven , I am hoping to have some news , shortly.

[POL]

Are ADS-B Ex going to share their windfall with the people who made it all possible , those who shared their data with them , or are they going to cut and run.?

No, which is why approximately 2,500 people stopped feeding ADS-B Exchange in the wake of the announcement.

[zero_gravity]

Are ADS-B Ex going to share their windfall with the people who made it all possible , those who shared their data with them , or are they going to cut and run.?

No, which is why approximately 2,500 people stopped feeding ADS-B Exchange in the wake of the announcement.

That's the problem with web based trackers POL. They get income from adverts , income from those who pay not to see the adverts and income from the third parties they sell" their" data to.....and yet in reality the web trackers are limited to showing just the basic ADS-B and mode S stuff with no control in the hands of the users as they are basically seeing a non interactive feed.
They use FAA flight plan info to fill in gaps and the mil enthusiasts can't even see Mode A data [which is becoming more and more important]
Trackers using FAA data will always be in the sights of the authorities as they are contravening BARR regulations .

Of course to use a real tracking network unbridled by FAA regulations etc and with full user interaction the sharer has to put in a bit of effort ... no pain , no gain , but the rewards far outway the effort.

[EGDR]

That's the problem with web based trackers POL. They get income from adverts , income from those who pay not to see the adverts and income from the third parties they sell" their" data to.....and yet in reality the web trackers are limited to showing just the basic ADS-B and mode S stuff with no control in the hands of the users as they are basically seeing a non interactive feed.

That just isn't the case, though. Being web-based doesn't limit you to an ADS-B Exchange type model. Like it or hate it, 360Radar is a very successful web-based platform (with a Mode A/C tracking capability in the works) which generates income in exactly the same way as Planeplotter - requiring a subscription or data contributions to access the network, albeit without Planeplotter's universal upfront software cost. There is another network with the same model in use for a localised section of the UK.

Granted there is nowhere near the same amount of customisation in terms of your own experience compared to Planeplotter, but the vast majority of users are quite content with simple filtering, log generations and some basic map overlays.

They use FAA flight plan info to fill in gaps and the mil enthusiasts can't even see Mode A data [which is becoming more and more important]
Trackers using FAA data will always be in the sights of the authorities as they are contravening BARR regulations .

Of course to use a real tracking network unbridled by FAA regulations etc and with full user interaction the sharer has to put in a bit of effort ... no pain , no gain , but the rewards far outway the effort.

ADS-B Exchange doesn't use FAA data, there's no route system at all in fact, which is why they were not bound by the FAA's data privacy programs. Same for 360Radar, SkyScan, ADSB.fi, and whoever else outside the big names like FR24 and FlightAware.

Planeplotter might be a good product but you're not doing it any favors here to be honest.

[zero_gravity]

(with a Mode A/C tracking capability in the works)

....and has been for the last three years

ADS-B Exchange doesn't use FAA data, there's no route system at all in fact

the FAA BARR list has nothing to do with routing , its a restriction on certain frames being tracked via web based applications.

The Administrator shall, upon request of a private aircraft owner or operator, block the registration number of the aircraft from any public dissemination or display, except in data made available to a Government agency, for the noncommercial flights of the owner or operator.

The Limiting Aircraft Data Displayed (LADD)
https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd

Regards



ZG

[EGDR]

Well aware of what LADD (BARR no longer exists) is. I'm not the one who first mentioned "FAA flight plan info" and the LADD regulations in the same paragraph:

They use FAA flight plan info to fill in gaps and the mil enthusiasts can't even see Mode A data [which is becoming more and more important]
Trackers using FAA data will always be in the sights of the authorities as they are contravening BARR regulations .

These sites don't use flight plan info or FAA radar data. None of it. That's FR24, FlightAware, Planefinder etc's game.

....and has been for the last three years

So Planeplotter was developed overnight?

[zero_gravity]

"So Planeplotter was developed overnight?"

We developed Mode A tracking over a period of about 8 weeks and it has been running for just under three years.

ZG

[EGDR]

That's impressive, doesn't mean others' development cycles will be equally quick and without bugs.

I note you didn't offer a rebuttal to most of my other points!

[POL]

I note you didn't offer a rebuttal to most of my other points!

It's ok, I never get any meaningful answers when I ask why I'd spend money on something I can only use on one Windows device. It's 2023, if I'm paying money I expect to be able to use it across my Windows PC, Mac laptop and Android phone. You know, like you can with websites!

Sadly this takes us away from the original story. This article now sums up the next problem: what is the replacement, if anything? https://jettip.net/blog/in-the-wild-wes ... b-exchange

[zero_gravity]

A rather timely article here....

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org ... 0questions.

[freebirduk]

We are not people, we are merely content and can be traded as thus.

[freebirduk]

We are not people, we are merely content and can be traded as thus.

[POL]

A rather timely article here....

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org ... 0questions.

This article is complete bollix, and you of all people should know that. If anything, tracking aircraft by Mode-A/C/3/whatever is more of a risk, as that is legally mandated in many places. Mode-S isn't a requirement for any military aircraft, it's a nice to have, and militaries know this.

[Skymaster]

If there are any ADSBx feeders here, can I ask nicely [if not already doing so], that you also feed ASDB.fi please?

The community is now throwing its weight behind ADSB.fi as the eventual replacement. Nearly 1100 feeders now and growing every week. Still a long way to go, as most feeders are still unaware of the ADSBx sellout.

There's no need to stop feeding ADSBx if you don't want to.

The script to install ADSB.fi is here... [redacted]

The ADSBx discord channel has been morphed into the ADSB.fi channel.

[Skymaster]

Update from the discord community...

We had planned to announce http://www.airplanes.live/ when it was ready! However, due to circumstances that are out of our control, we must notify the community before the site is ready to go live.

AIRPLANES.LIVE Client Installer: https://github.com/airplanes-live/feed

We invested months of work and planning efforts to prevent past mistakes. No one person has sole ownership of domains along with operational and organizational agreements to prevent unilateral decisions. We all agreed to a commitment that each person shared the common goal of creating a sustainable community around flight tracking.

We settled on creating the new organization and software around the airplanes.live domain. We plan to make it a home for enthusiasts that offers a set of features comparable to the commercial alternatives plus add some new ideas. Crowd sourced ADS-B data should be available from an independent source and available for the greater good, for developers, for enthusiasts, and for the general public.

Unfortunately, and disappointingly, we must inform everyone that Samuli, the sole owner behind adsb.fi, has declined to be part of the new organization after nearly 8 months of planning and thousands of dollars to accommodate him. We believe that repeating the past mistakes with regard to sole control and sole ownership can only lead to future situations that do not benefit the community. We are disappointed to have to continue with Samuli and wish him the best with his sole ownership and control of his domain.

Husky and James were paying for and funding adsb.fi infrastructure. Samuli changed the DNS and removed "his data" (Samuli's words) from the community api and apps we built. His recent activity seems to indicate a push to commercialize adsb.fi for his own gain.

The four others involved simply weren't comfortable letting a sole individual own and control a domain because that will inevitably lead to disaster. Samuli, sole owner of the adsb.fi domain, chose control over our agreed goals and the community. It is a heartbreaking disappointment for everyone that worked hard to create a lasting community.

The ADSB.fi channel is now airplanes.live channel.

[SkyMan]

If it does become paid, the contributers that feel against that should really just leave ADSB and create a new one from scratch based off the old model.