Machloop ban

[C24]

Someone posted a video on twitter of a Typhoon going through Cad a tad too low before going vertical. Haven't seen the video myself though but I think there are a couple of other reasons also.

we are now on page 6+ and can anyone show clear evidence of what was wrong with the flightpath? What was the pilot authorised to do? Or is it that he/she was caught on camera doing the job which included a slight bit of showboating during a normal climbout?

Go to RAF Coningsby during the practice sessions of the display Typhoon & see a similar flight profile; stand at RAF Scampton during winter training & the pair/gypo go over at similar heights and speed.

Watch the 2 videos clips posted earlier, then compare the subject Typhoon with those.

[Blackcat1, just using your post to save me typing ]

[KevinJ]

From page 3 from Reptile 1:
"There's a few things that went on that lead to the 'temporary ban' in the Loop

The Typhoon is classed as performing aerobatics below 4000ft which broke the rule.
The sh*t storm on twitter with the RAF tagged creating a negative coverage.
Initially the ban was 'Typhoon Force' only (2nd Typhoon Ban)
Screenshot of the Typhoon STANEVAL Document posted on Twitter (Official Sensitive)
Ban extended to all RAF assets.
All 4FTS flightplans changed to avoid the loop for the 'foreseeable future'.

Ban does not include USAF,Army and Navy assets.

The Loop needed a 'Hard Reset' and hopefully things will go back to normal at some point. And the guy is still on Typhoon, he just went behind a desk for a bit but if anyone knows any Typhoon Pilot they will know that most of the time they are behind a desk anyway. (Serviceable jets v Pilot Numbers)"

[C24]

Thanks KevinJ.
My apologies for not reading every post. mea culpa [ time for a cuppa]

If nothing else, my thanks for the video posters on Utube. I have instruction from my partner to investige a return trip to the area.

[Thunder]

What was the pilot authorised to do? Or is it that he/she was caught on camera doing the job which included a slight bit of showboating during a normal climbout?

Go to RAF Coningsby during the practice sessions of the display Typhoon & see a similar flight profile; stand at RAF Scampton during winter training & the pair/gypo go over at similar heights and speed.

So in that sense, it would be prefectly acceptable for the RAFAT to break into a full display routine the next time they transit the “loop”, after all they do it at Scampton everyday.

[Blackcat1]

Thanks Kevin, all I heard was rumours re the Typhoon pilot, thanks for clarifying.

[Blackcat1]

Just a shame this had to happen during the final months of Tornado.

[C24]

By thunder young sir! There are two of us who do not read carefully before posting.

If I had read the thread carefully, I would not have posted anything. I was caught out by missing the " Typhoons are not..." As pointed out to me by Kevinj

I thought that my previous post was sufficient to act as an apology for getting things wrong.
The pilot was obviously in the wrong, as was i but he/she can fly 'em

I thought that the Typhoon was deemed to be too low as an aircraft in a low fly zone, not that he was taken to task because his aircraft type was not allowed to do the manoeuvre.

Bye for now.

Edited
I probably would have posted

[stuie492]

Look we got people going on bout flight ops and giving there opinon bout flight safety and Christ knows what else....THE RAF are probably reading this and laughing there asses off

[Thunder]

Probably if they haven’t got anything else to do, however has it occurred to you that some members on here are maybe ex or even current service personnel and are well versed in what they say.

[reheat module]

....THE RAF are probably reading this and laughing there asses off

has it occurred to you that some members on here are maybe ex or even current service personnel and are well versed in what they say.

Hehe indeed...

[Blackcat1]

It's not as if he rolled it through Cad! , That would have been a sight !

[Dave934]

It's not as if he rolled it through Cad! , That would have been a sight !

I've got photos of a Jaguar doing that !!!
Have never posted them on line though, in case it got the pilot in trouble.
Reading a lot of the posts on here, I guess I was in the wrong !
Dave.

[Blackcat1]

Jag & Harrier pilots were the best! Just a few weeks before the Typhoon "broke the rules", I was at Tal y Llyn when a Tornado came along low level before pulling up vertically and amazed a lot of tourists, as you say Dave, back in the day they did lots of manouveres before social media!!!!

[toom317]

....THE RAF are probably reading this and laughing there asses off

has it occurred to you that some members on here are maybe ex or even current service personnel and are well versed in what they say.

Hehe indeed...

Being "ex" I find it strange that aircrew and other serving personnel are advertising to "enthusiasts" where and when they are going to go LL. That stuff must have, at least, the lowest level of security grading,(classified?), so when the RAF stop laughing their asses off, maybe they should take a long hard look at their personnel. "Need To Know" and all that! As for this guff about not posting anything dodgy on a forum, if they weren't doing the dodgy stuff in the first place, there'd be nothing to post about. All this bleating about keeping it quiet, does that mean you are all condoning the rule breaking, but it's ok as long as you can get pics? All this stinks of the Victor incident at Bruntingthorpe, when forums put a ban on posting pics of it, as if it never happened, and if there were no pics, we can all kid on it never happened.

[Blackcat1]

Always enjoyed watching them at low level myself, never bothered with photos much myself .

[Ravendriver2008]

The person who filmed it openly admitted on Twitter that she had a contact in the low flying booking system.

That could pretty much be any aircrew member/ops staff member in HM Forces who does low flying.

Which, if the Official Secrets act has been broken the person involved can get tracked back and prosecuted, although extremely unlikely.

This whole thing has a funny smell to it, like that wiff you get on a summers night, when moving too close to a herd of Bulls. Worse things than that video happen in the hills, so its not the real reason for a so called ban, theres something else, most if not all military pilots will admit to getting things wrong in the de-brief after landing, after all if you cant admit to getting things wrong how do you improve? have the RAF actually said anything? could they be moving away from low level flying?

Thought for a fleeting moment Ghost Whisperer, you said ‘like a wiff you get on Ann Summers night’ lol

Said poster , she follows me in Twitter ...have seen her comments in defence. Ghost Whisperer is right, there’s more to the story than either one Tiffy pilot breaking the low level rules and one videographer capturing it , putting it on public social media platform hence getting it in the neck for doing so. What’s more interesting is if it’s true her insider knowledge and whether it’s gonna give cause Provost investigation..

Cheers

[steamy]

loose lips, sinks low flying areas

[ChrisCwmbran]

Anyone would think the world had ended lol.

Flying may resume at some point. Until then go to Heathrow!

[baz1]

its a bit like you've been framed strange how some things are captured at the rite moment or prewarned or set up to start with!???

[Green133]

Just a shame this had to happen during the final months of Tornado.

Agree Blackcat1