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The question is is 50MP better......judge for yourself.....

Post by pig hunter » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:29 am

Folks:

I am learning to use a Canon 5DsR/50.6 MP......is it worth it over a 7D2, for example.........I would say yes....but it is much fussier, very unforgiving, and u'd better know what u r doing....

here are a few of the first shots.....boring yes, but I need fast moving subjects to practice on....

(all shot on using a Canon 100-400 v2 and a 5DsR)

all best to all

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Re: The question is is 50MP better......judge for yourself..

Post by Pen Pusher » Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:56 am

Unless you have similar photos taken with a different camera using the same settings and lens, then there is no way to tell if these 50MP images are better than a lower MP camera.

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Post by The Phantom » Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:06 am

I would have thought that the 50mp camera only comes into its own if you are going to do huge enlargement prints, or do a big a big crop on the image.

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Post by Pen Pusher » Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:23 am

Correct. The High MP cameras are primarily aimed at the studio portrait and landscape photographers. Unless you are going to do heavy crops then not much use for aviation photography.

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Post by morticiaskeeper » Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:54 am

I've recently held an exhibition where we'd had 18" x 12" prints.

I use a D80 10.1mp & D40 6mp.

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Post by barrow758 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:28 am

I think if you had put up two shots the same from the 5ds,s and the 7d2 at a 100persent crop then we could maybe see a clear difference ,only thing as well how much money do you won't to spend I'm struggling to see any dir in these shots all are good

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Post by nellis6 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:15 pm

morticiaskeeper wrote:I've recently held an exhibition where we'd had 18" x 12" prints.

I use a D80 10.1mp & D40 6mp.
18x12 is not that big though, a 10.1mp camera is more than adequate for that size. Picking up on previous comments, unless you are going to make really large prints or large crops I see little point in a camera with that amount of MP. If all that you are going to do is look at them on a computer screen you will see little or no difference between a camera with 20mp and one with 50mp.
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Re: The question is is 50MP better......judge for yourself..

Post by Jonesy » Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:51 pm

Are these photos posted full frame or crops?

To me, the increase in mega pixels has seen the skill and expertise required to pan and correctly frame your subject decrease. All you have to do now is crop to your hearts delight.

You see it very regularly in the low level shots. The first shot posted is a nice full frame aircraft, then the second shot is a nice cockpit shot but hang on, the background is identical. Then you realise it's just been a crop of the original photograph.

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Post by pig hunter » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:10 pm

They were cropped some to take some trash out

but not much

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Post by Bobbster » Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:52 am

Impossible to tell as they are web sized images and nothing to compare to The 36mp Nikons producing some rivet popping images so suspect this should too. Also as they are on Photobucket the quality is somewhat compromised, you will see a huge difference uploading to FLickr

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Post by Bilvo » Sat Jan 09, 2016 2:43 pm

nellis6 wrote:
morticiaskeeper wrote:I've recently held an exhibition where we'd had 18" x 12" prints.

I use a D80 10.1mp & D40 6mp.
18x12 is not that big though, a 10.1mp camera is more than adequate for that size. Picking up on previous comments, unless you are going to make really large prints or large crops I see little point in a camera with that amount of MP. If all that you are going to do is look at them on a computer screen you will see little or know difference between a camera with 20mp and one with 50mp.
Good to see that the 'press' have got to grips with the English language... I think you mean "little or NO difference" :P

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Post by nigelblake » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:04 pm

As someone who uses 7D2, and 5Ds I can say that there is very little difference at all in image quality, the actual photosites (pixels) on the 7D2 are 4.1 microns and the 5Ds they measure 4.14 microns, the dynamic range is being 11.8 and 12.4 respectively, as you can see there is little in it. So, if you shot through the same lens at the same distance with these 2 bodies the image would be pretty much identical. The big difference is that the 5Ds is slow at 5 FPS and slows to about 3 fps as the buffer fills up to its max of 28, compared to the constant 10 FPS of the 7D2 and a buffer capacity of 31 RAW files...

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Post by GhostFlight91 » Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:16 pm

Lovely shots

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Post by Richard B » Sat Jan 09, 2016 9:14 pm

Got shots from a Canon D30 at 2million pixs from 2002 that would look just as good posted on the web at 800x at 250mbs.
you really cannot do it justice on forums, megapixels are for high quality large prints spreads etc in the printed comercial world.

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Post by John flightpath » Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:11 pm

Personally speaking I use a Nikon L810 Bridge camera 16mp for quite a bit of stuff . Its a handy thing to carry around at museums, slower moving shots, and civil airfields.6 months ago I bought a used Canon 450d which reacts quicker when setting up the shot, and I tend to use it more in the manual mode. This is 12mp. I love it, and I can use some of my old Pentax fit lenses with an adaptor. I think you can go on chasing the Megapixels. I think if you shoot it right in the first place its job done ! I probably will up grade again at some stage but probably max 18 - 20mp

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Post by jdupons » Sun Jan 10, 2016 4:14 am

Let's get back to some fundamentals... no matter how sophisticatde and expensive your equipment is , if you take pictures of aircraft which are backlit ( as some of the pictures here are) the results will be poor , or very poor... equipment is not everything, far from it. The most difficult in aircraft photography is being able to photograph aircraft in good conditions . Once you have good conditions, almost any average equipment will do and you will have great shots. Fair light conditions, and Having the ability to get close to the aircraft is among the most important fundamentals .
unfortunately many "spotters" and "photographers" tend to think that the most expensive and the most sophisticated gear, the best pictures...There is sometimes a sort of competition to show off tons of camera bodies, lenses, and stuff, as if it was the guarantee of super pictures... and nothing could be more wrong. Get close to the aircraft (if you can), get proper photographic conditions ( fair weather if possible, no backlight) , and a fairly modest equipment and skill will do the rest.

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Re: The question is is 50MP better......judge for yourself..

Post by pig hunter » Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:01 am

Get close to the aircraft (if you can), get proper photographic conditions ( fair weather if possible, no backlight)


but what is you cannot do this???

for example on a trip where you in an airport for one day???

or if you cannot get close to aircraft, due to (silly, government) "security" concerns

sure any picture is better than no picture

and I will put a 5DsR with Zeiss lenses up against any other set up, and it will beat it

equipment, in the REAL photographic world, is everything, that is why professionals use the best equipment available.

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Post by Pen Pusher » Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:02 am

pig hunter wrote:and I will put a 5DsR with Zeiss lenses up against any other set up, and it will beat it
No it wont. A Sony A7rII with its 35 mm full-frame back-illuminated 42.4-Megapixel CMOS sensor, 5 axis image stabilization, which works with ANY attached lens, via a converter, will beat the 5DsR.

When Canon introduced the 5DsR, they had a dig at Sony for not producing a large sensor camera which has backfired on them now as its the 42MP A7rII that's winning the camera of the year awards and no mention of the 50MP 5DsR. :D
pig hunter wrote:equipment, in the REAL photographic world, is everything, that is why professionals use the best equipment available.
No it isn't. As has been mentioned countless times before, you can have the most expensive equipment going and it will not make you a great photographer. It's knowing how to use the kit you have that makes you a great photographer.

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Post by pig hunter » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:13 am

we will just have to agree to differ on that score

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ps I will never be a GREAT photographer

thee are only a handful of those living on the Planet....

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Post by pig hunter » Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:39 am

The Sony may have won the CoTY award

try getting a Sony 500 mm prime lens for it.....

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