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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by page_verify » Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:07 pm

A few additional pieces of info that might add some clarity to a couple of bits here:

The Boscombe "incident" was debunked by someone who worked there on this thread here http://www.pprune.org/spectators-balcon ... ost5147916
At the time, the towed decoy trials were classified.

The handful of flying F-117s openly fly in public from TTR, not in secret from Groom Lake, something the USAF is happy to acknowledge although the US Government has removed the need for the aircraft to be kept in a flyable condition when later this year they finish what they're doing right now. They'll then by scrapped and buried, rather than kept in expensive hangars.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by PONSH » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:52 pm

Oh really...? Does anybody have a list of the visiting aircraft to Boscombe Down within 7 days of the incident? And you don't think the 'powers that be' have people monitoring & probably contributing, possibly in good faith but ready to de-bunk any theory coming close to the true facts? The Filton-based ATCO WASN'T the only person who told me that something unusual happened that night & the 'Towed Array Decoy' doesn't stand up.

A friend of mine who I've known for over 25 years was a Flying Instructor at the Base Flying Club at Lakenheath. The morning after the incident, he went into the flying club to find an answerfone message from a student cancelling a lesson for that morning. It was timed in the very early morning & the student was the resident C5 MSGT Specialist Loadmaster who's speciality was loading/unloading/moving unusual and/or outsized loads. He walked into the Flying Club a few days later & after re-booking his lesson he wanted to plan a cross-country navex from Lakenheath to, you've guessed it, 'The Stonehenge Area'.

So, an ATCO, a C-5 Specialist Loadmaster & an army of enthusiasts noting unusual aircraft movements & this was all about a 'Decoy'. Me thinks the 'Decoy' IS the decoy.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by Cornish-guy » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:16 am

And not foregetting all the specialized aircraft that flew into Boscombe after the event - C-5 (C Model) Janet Flight 737, and other US aircraft.


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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by Stroudy » Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:57 am

Im glad I started this thread as its getting nice and interesting now.. and refreshingly its staying sensible.

Thanks to all contributors so far.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by gyvespa » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:25 pm

I just saw this on the local Web News.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/new_book_pro ... _1_4837429

It may be of interest and might be loosely connected to the topic.
The comments are worth a read too, even if you're a sceptic like me.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by robin » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:58 pm

For those of you who do not believe in the Aurora (or what ever you like to call it).

I said the evidence is out there if you look, that's besides the comment made in Congress about these machines.

It has surprise me, that so far no one has mention the new large hangars at Groom Lake, and their SIZE, plus their locations, and rapid facilities to allow aircraft to fast taxi into and out the new hangars, even down to the position of the hangars on the airfield !

If you have test and development aircraft, you do not need QRA type hangars and QRA support facilities, which all have appeared at Groom Lake in the last twelve years !

As I said Keep lookiing, the evidence is out there, that these machines are operational.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by Skywatcher » Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:47 pm

And the C-5C reportedly diverted from being en route to Ramsteine with a non standard c/s to reportedly "LANCE 18 " as something to do with the identifier for Palmdale ..,also the unmarked 737 with the red stripe down the side ,was also probably the first ever reported known sighting of JANET outside America ,would have been a JANET c/s to (probably )
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Also added note the airfield and airspace was closed whilst they recovered the aircaft ,and a few days after to it was still closed of,and don't forget the sudden appearance of the unmarked EC-135 arriving at other nearby airports soon after .
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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by TankBuster » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:36 pm

gyvespa wrote:I just saw this on the local Web News.

http://www.eadt.co.uk/news/new_book_pro ... _1_4837429

It may be of interest and might be loosely connected to the topic.
The comments are worth a read too, even if you're a sceptic like me.
I purchased a copy of the book from Amazon just after Christmas as I had a few pennies to spend :D.
Out of all the books written about the RFI to date, this book is the most comprehensive by far & certainly justifies its £35 price tag.

Even though the RFI occurred nearly 40 years ago it still to this day remains an unsolved incident. Out of all the USAFE airfields in the UK in 1980, Woodbridge was by far the most secluded base being well concealed by tall pine trees on 3 sides at least. There are claims that the aerial vehicle/lights that were spotted were of extraterrestrial origin, but I really do think it could have been a US black project. There were sightings of objects over the course of three nights, but nothing reported in the daytime? Also objects were tracked on radar at night heading towards that location, but again no activity in the day. Could they have been unsuccessfully attempting to land a black project aircraft/UAV at RAF Woodbridge on three occasions under the cover of darkness :ninja:.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by gyvespa » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:32 pm

I'm not actively looking for this stuff, I just keep finding it.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2017/01/ ... -sighting/

When I say I'm a sceptic I mean Aliens not sporty matt black thingies, then again with modern technology and scientific advances, perhaps they don't paint them black any more :-)

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by neilg27 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:01 pm

After reading all the reports I can add to this, in august 2003 over lowestoft I was watching some f15s dogfighting early evening and a second and third flight coming over later in the evening. Just after 11:00 there was a tanker and another large jet which I could not tell what it was, only 2 engines, come in over the coast and an hour later another tanker and with it was 2 f15s trailling on either side. There was a jet just trailling the tanker slightly in front on the f15s with no nav lights, strange shape to it, a distinctive sound which was hard to tell giving the number of jets up there. Shortly after a C5 came over all on the same flight path. It was a very clear night no moon. I travelled up to the hall and the heath the next day and there was a C5 at hall parked with its tail towards the sheds where the ospreys are based. I was talking to a gentleman at the fence and he made some comments that it was a strange night at lakenheath and that the C5 had been in there and then came over to the hall. Also that lakenheath had some strange activity the night before.. I went up the next night and a few spotters where there but no planes! Any ideas ....... A very interesting topic ...
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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by Davef68 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:46 pm

robin wrote:F
It has surprise me, that so far no one has mention the new large hangars at Groom Lake, and their SIZE, plus their locations, and rapid facilities to allow aircraft to fast taxi into and out the new hangars, even down to the position of the hangars on the airfield !

If you have test and development aircraft, you do not need QRA type hangars and QRA support facilities, which all have appeared at Groom Lake in the last twelve years !

As I said Keep lookiing, the evidence is out there, that these machines are operational.
For the RQ-180. So they can taxi in before the next satellite pass

And, I'm quite sure, other black projects - there have been a couple of sat photos of Groom over the years showing 'unusual' shapes on the ramps

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by Agent K » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:21 pm

HangArs or hangars? Makes quite a difference to what we are talking about.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by KyleG » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:45 pm

robin wrote: hence comments in Congress that the USAF could bomb any-where in the world within 3 hours....

That could mean a number of things, it doesn't confirm the operational existence of a top secret strategic bomber (not that I'm saying there aren't a lot of projects out there that have never seen the light of day).
robin wrote: If you have test and development aircraft, you do not need QRA type hangars and QRA support facilities, which all have appeared at Groom Lake in the last twelve years !
You do if you need to quickly hide aircraft (as said above), or if you are supporting aircraft that could be used in an alert role (ie the F-16s which have operated out of Groom Lake for at least a few years).
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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by Nnthusiast » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:11 pm

Saw 2 Aurora's last night over central Iceland. Hovered for about 15 minutes and 1 gave a sparkling light show for 60 seconds.
No con trails or noise unfortunately, although I do have photographic proof of these dark apparitions.....however they were so large I doubt they would fit in any of the Groom Lake hangars ;-)

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by podge » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:24 pm

Not bad going that, the 54th post is the first pointless one. Been some great posts so far and been enjoying this thread so hope it doesn't turn into a joke.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by filmman » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:21 pm

The future is drones, their sensor systems, size, stealth attributes, relative low cost and deniability - no human pilot. They range from large (plane size) down to small (palm size ) and smaller. From strategic long range to street fighting and surveillance. Like The Vietnam War where the A10 was too late the systems did not reach their full potential until the tail end of Iraq, etc.,. Even the spooks will literally bug rooms, you can counter sweep rooms but bugs can crawl back in and leave without having to transmit. Some systems require a remote site for testing, others can be tested inside. If there small quiet and stealthy enough they could fly around airfields and actually be invisible? Miniaturisation etc has reached a Dreadnought tipping point and Aurora like the Valkyrie was a pointless pursuit.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by Bluetail » Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:37 am

I,ve just viewed the footage of the two F-18s launching the multiple miniature drones which had the ability to Swarm, one thing struck me, if this is stuff the US Military happily putting in the public domain it will probably be relatively old tech, makes me wonder what they are not telling us about.
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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by powerslave » Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:38 pm

I reckon i heard something which could have been the Aurora.
I made the trip down to Groom Lake and down the road upto the warning signs in the mid 90's.
Me and my girlfriend where just hanging round taking photos and what not,when we heard the most awesome sounding jet engine noise
coming from behind the hills over to where the base was.
It lasted about 20 seconds and i could tell it was'nt flying just a engine test of some sorts,it felt like an earthquake.
I've heard and seen most military/civil jets flying around but was shocked when i heard that.I was expecting some great tripod/ufo object to come over the hills.
After that we did'nt stay long and left,but as we where driving back to the main road some jeep with blacked out windows and blank number plates sped past
us and covered our hire car in desert,kinda telling us to get the hell out of here.
Ended up in Rachel after that and got talking to a few people who reckoned it was the Aurora we had heard.
Would'nt have mind seeing it.

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by SpeedFanatic » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:34 pm

gyvespa wrote:
Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:36 pm
Early 2000's.
A good friend of mine Bill was staying on his boat south of Norwich.
About 10pm he was watching F15's perform through his binoculars against a starry sky.
A couple of tankers headed home as well.
A bit later on hearing more F15's he saw two heading inland with a large, almost tanker sized plane behind them, no lights on it but clearly a triangular shape against the sky.
Very nice sighting. I've heard about a couple similar events. Can I ask some questions about it?
gyvespa, as you admitted, you are not a person who saw aforementioned event but you are the one that may know more details or maybe you would ask your friend Bill for wider description of what he saw that day. So...

1. Was the triangular shape aircraft a bigger or smaller than a tanker that flew with it?
2. Does your friend Bill ever mentioned about a sound left by the triangular aircraft he saw that day?
3. About the shape of the triangular aircraft. Was it a sharp delta or more like a triangular plane with rounded corners?
4. Can you tell exact year of the sighting?
5. What was an altitude the aircraft flew at?

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Re: SR-91 Aurora

Post by ranger one one » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:28 pm

With internet sites such as FC, social media and general aviation monitoring , can't help wondering if in 2018 something black could be operated in UK airspace without attracting any attention ?

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