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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by The Phantom » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:21 am

What I never get with these disability claims is that it seems anyone genuine will get messed about and the people running it do all they can to make it difficult for them to claim or get anything; but anyone corrupt who is just fleecing the system who claim to be disabled in a wheelchair and are months later filmed out shopping every day and going to dance lessons (that type of scenario) get the payments no problem?!
It seems it's always the people who genuinely need the help and support are the ones who get shafted - presumably because they're a soft target.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:33 am

The Phantom wrote:What I never get with these disability claims is that it seems anyone genuine will get messed about and the people running it do all they can to make it difficult for them to claim or get anything; but anyone corrupt who is just fleecing the system who claim to be disabled in a wheelchair and are months later filmed out shopping every day and going to dance lessons (that type of scenario) get the payments no problem?!
It seems it's always the people who genuinely need the help and support are the ones who get shafted - presumably because they're a soft target.
I think it is important to remember that for every person having difficulties with the system there must by logic be many for whom it is working correctly.

And additionally whilst some of the people who are having issues with the system will no doubt have legitimate claims which must be corrected, many of the people making noise and whining will be from the group who's claims are at best dubious and in some cases totally false and clearly they are going to be less than impressed.

When someone who is on Universal Credit, and is bleating about how hard up they are, but can afford to have multipe Di Agostini models (https://www.model-space.com/gb/model-ships.html) on the go at once I'd suggest they aren't quite as hard up as they are making out....

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Cornish-guy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:45 pm

The Phantom wrote:What I never get with these disability claims is that it seems anyone genuine will get messed about and the people running it do all they can to make it difficult for them to claim or get anything; but anyone corrupt who is just fleecing the system who claim to be disabled in a wheelchair and are months later filmed out shopping every day and going to dance lessons (that type of scenario) get the payments no problem?!
It seems it's always the people who genuinely need the help and support are the ones who get shafted - presumably because they're a soft target.
Exactly! thats the problem and so unfair it is, I do appreciate how hard it is for TPB to work out who is genuine and who is not, however you would think if you have a long history of health problems backed up with medical evidence - doctors/hospital specialist diagnosis, and already been on DLA, that should be enough proof for them.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by PR9 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:09 pm

Never expect any fairness from a Tory gov.

Welfare bill is a drop in the ocean compared to tax evasion.
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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Cornish-guy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:16 pm

PR9 wrote:Never expect any fairness from a Tory gov.

Welfare bill is a drop in the ocean compared to tax evasion.
Yep - never expect the tories to care for the lower class - aint gonna happen.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Thunder » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:40 pm

Cornish-guy wrote:
PR9 wrote:Never expect any fairness from a Tory gov.

Welfare bill is a drop in the ocean compared to tax evasion.
Yep - never expect the tories to care for the lower class - aint gonna happen.

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Yip,not like Labour that gladly handed out these benefits as a way of securing votes.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by jem60 » Fri Oct 20, 2017 7:46 pm

PR9 NEVER expect a sensible financial plan from ANY Labour Government. All they have been good at is ruining the finances of this country, then, as usual, after a few years of making the country broke, the Conservatives have to come up with a sensible financial plan to get the country back on it's feet. It's time Mr. Corbyn and his crazy financial ideas of borrow, borrow, and yet more borrow woke up to the reality of hoping to run country when everyone wants more and more, but with less and less money to work with. It's time taxes were raised to get this country back on a decent financial footing, which would be a hopeless task if/when fantasist Corbyn gets in.!!!.
I am an O.A.P and would gladly happily pay more tax.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Cornish-guy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:07 pm

jem60 wrote:PR9 NEVER expect a sensible financial plan from ANY Labour Government. All they have been good at is ruining the finances of this country, then, as usual, after a few years of making the country broke, the Conservatives have to come up with a sensible financial plan to get the country back on it's feet. It's time Mr. Corbyn and his crazy financial ideas of borrow, borrow, and yet more borrow woke up to the reality of hoping to run country when everyone wants more and more, but with less and less money to work with. It's time taxes were raised to get this country back on a decent financial footing, which would be a hopeless task if/when fantasist Corbyn gets in.!!!.
I am an O.A.P and would gladly happily pay more tax.
Agreed tax the heavy earners and the lottery winners, tax a 161 Million winner just 10% sure a winner wouldn't complain, same with the rest of the rich in our country.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Nighthawke » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:16 pm

High earners already pay tax along with the rest of us - just at a higher rate. As for lottery winners, if you are going to tax them put them in the same bands as income tax - currently 45% after the first 150k.

Maybe increase the higher band rates?

Not a finance, taxation or political expert so don't have the answers. Whatever the answer is it probably won't be popular which is why successive governments do little or nothing except blame each other.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Cornish-guy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:25 pm

Nighthawke wrote:High earners already pay tax along with the rest of us - just at a higher rate. As for lottery winners, if you are going to tax them put them in the same bands as income tax - currently 45% after the first 150k.

Maybe increase the higher band rates?

Not a finance, taxation or political expert so don't have the answers. Whatever the answer is it probably won't be popular which is why successive governments do little or nothing except blame each other.

Very true, In an ideal world here in the Uk we would have three separate govenments - Labour, Liberal and Labour running at the same time, to satisfy the Upper class earners, the middle class and the lower class. Something for everyone then.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Alfie » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:19 pm

My wife has MS, which has now got to the stage I have had to give up work to be her full time carer. When she was first diagnosed, I was still working full time and she applied for DLA and we were turned down. On her next visit to hospital for her MS check up, we were advised to make an appointment at our local CAB where there was a lady who also worked for the MS society. We did so and the person at CAB was most helpful, she worked out what we could apply for, in her mind and what we should get. She told us to reapply but bring the forms to her, that's what we did. Basically the answers were the same as we had first given but worded differently and we were awarded the DLA. Since than we have changed to PIP, but we had learnt our lesson, we took all the forms direct to CAB and they sorted it. We did receive a letter requesting my wife to travel to a medical, but a short phone call explaining my wife's mobility problems and given permission for them to speak with her MS consultant, and we obtained PIP. I would think the next hurdle comes next year when I reach the age of 65 and I than get my state pension, which will be classed as an extra income.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Nighthawke » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:38 pm

Cornish-guy wrote:
Very true, In an ideal world here in the Uk we would have three separate govenments - Labour, Liberal and Labour running at the same time, to satisfy the Upper class earners, the middle class and the lower class. Something for everyone then.

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That wouldn't work either - they would all screw up, still leave us in a huge mess and still blame each other :whistle:

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Cornish-guy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:46 pm

Alfie wrote:My wife has MS, which has now got to the stage I have had to give up work to be her full time carer. When she was first diagnosed, I was still working full time and she applied for DLA and we were turned down. On her next visit to hospital for her MS check up, we were advised to make an appointment at our local CAB where there was a lady who also worked for the MS society. We did so and the person at CAB was most helpful, she worked out what we could apply for, in her mind and what we should get. She told us to reapply but bring the forms to her, that's what we did. Basically the answers were the same as we had first given but worded differently and we were awarded the DLA. Since than we have changed to PIP, but we had learnt our lesson, we took all the forms direct to CAB and they sorted it. We did receive a letter requesting my wife to travel to a medical, but a short phone call explaining my wife's mobility problems and given permission for them to speak with her MS consultant, and we obtained PIP. I would think the next hurdle comes next year when I reach the age of 65 and I than get my state pension, which will be classed as an extra income.
Its a sad situation when you can not simply rely on the medical person doing the PIP assessment, writting down your own doctors notes and being given proof of your own medical case notes , to get it right and be truefull what you have told them.
On more than three times now PIP have lied about what we have told them, even to the point where on the original application form, (I kept a copy of this) - yet the one we had back after the face to face assessment was different in a negative way affecting the desision against us - Three Times - that cant be right can it? :grr:

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Cornish-guy » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:53 pm

Nighthawke wrote:
Cornish-guy wrote:
Very true, In an ideal world here in the Uk we would have three separate govenments - Labour, Liberal and Labour running at the same time, to satisfy the Upper class earners, the middle class and the lower class. Something for everyone then.

C. :thumb:
That wouldn't work either - they would all screw up, still leave us in a huge mess and still blame each other :whistle:

Problem is - we are always going to have different priorities and oppinions based on our status and financial situation, most who are on the bottom and suffering will undoubtedly want a labour gov who supports a welfare society, and those who are towards the top will want a tory gov to help sustain their wealth and way of living.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by jem60 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:17 am

A lot of Tories that I know, some of whom are wealthy, will put the country first, and themselves second. As one gets older, [and better off], the state of the country and one's health becomes much more important than wealth. I just wish that Teresa May would come out and say that increased taxes for those that can afford it is the only way out. Trouble is, saying that is NOT a vote winner. J Corbyn and his cronies, on the other hand, promising the earth and getting into more debt is most definitely not the answer!.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:53 am

Cornish-guy wrote:
Nighthawke wrote:
Cornish-guy wrote:
Very true, In an ideal world here in the Uk we would have three separate govenments - Labour, Liberal and Labour running at the same time, to satisfy the Upper class earners, the middle class and the lower class. Something for everyone then.

C. :thumb:
That wouldn't work either - they would all screw up, still leave us in a huge mess and still blame each other :whistle:

Problem is - we are always going to have different priorities and oppinions based on our status and financial situation, most who are on the bottom and suffering will undoubtedly want a labour gov who supports a welfare society, and those who are towards the top will want a tory gov to help sustain their wealth and way of living.

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a) Only an idiot thinks everyone who supports a Conservative government is wealthy. Look at the number of so called celebrities, for example people from TV and music who are very well paid and are very much on side with Labour.

b) The downturn in world finances has hurt the income of the vast majority of Tories as much as, and in some cases not more than others. I know of at least one person who employs 100+ people whom because of a downturn in business has cut his salary to zero to ensure that he can maintain staff levels and pay levels within the company.

c) I'm not really a fan of any of the parties, but I think anyone who has seen the affect of the party in power on the overall finances of the county will know that Labour always do huge damage to the economy by spending money they simply have not got.

d) People bleat on about tax evasion and always think about the ultra large companies who use off shore accounting methods etc to avoid tax. What about all the electricians etc who offer one price if you want a receipt and another price for cash? The funny thing is, it seems to be those people who are quickest to moan about tax evasion who are happiest to pay cash for a cheap job. Or people whom on their website brag about selling photos. Do you declare the photos you sell to the Tax man or the Benefits people accordingly? Tax evasion has many forms, and whilst some are small levels and other are high levels it all adds up and its all illegal.

e) Not everyone votes according to their own immediate best interests as other people have observed. You shouldn't allow your vote to be purchased by Mr Corbyn just on the basis you think he's most likely to allow you to go on sponging in the manner to which you are accustomed.

The county has limits on it's finances just as much as anyone else, and a sensible government has to be very careful how it spends the peoples money. Should they try to cut down on tax fraud? Of course. Should they try to ensure that money put aside for benefit payments is focussed on people who really need it? Of course.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Thunder » Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:48 pm

Cornish-guy wrote:
Problem is - we are always going to have different priorities and oppinions based on our status and financial situation, most who are on the bottom and suffering will undoubtedly want a labour gov who supports a welfare society, and those who are towards the top will want a tory gov to help sustain their wealth and way of living.

C. :thumb:

Yes, rather than get off their 'rses to go get a job in order to put more money on their table they would rather sit back and let Labour give them handouts, and moan about how disadvantaged they are :grr: . I think there are more working class people/families that vote Conservative than the multi millionaires that you refer to all too often.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:53 pm

You clearly get the idea things have gone wrong when people

a) Call they benefits their "pay". This seems to be intended to make them somehow feel better.

b) Feel that benefits are some kind of right, and the not giving them the money they want is a violation of their being.

c) Have such a massive chip on their shoulders about people who have worked hard all their lives to achieve the things they have, and lets face it whilst some people who are wealthy were born with a silver spoon in their mouths, others have worked hard for many years to get where they are now, and in many cases have provided lots of people a good living and lifestyle in doing so.

Society today seems to love celebrity, and people like footballers who get paid huge sums for doing sod all, and yet frowns upon people who have achieved success by hard work.

Personally I don't even think the class system really works anymore - lot at what a plumber or electrician can earn and compare it with the money made by many so called "middle class" workers in their office jobs.

And for the record, I know many people who would claim to be "working class" who would look at attitudes workshy scroungers claiming to be "working class" with utter disgust.

If the system still exists there should be a new class called "Non-working class", the darlings of modern Labour and Mr Corbyn.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by Alfie » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:20 pm

I'm afraid it's time you took off your blue tinted glasses ChrisCwmbran . In your view I would now be a member of the "Non-working class2 In fact I am classed as fully employed being my wife's carer, which the government seem fit to pay me £62 a week for. Way below minimum wage, but by looking after my wife at home I am saving the government vast amounts of money they don't have to spend, if my wife ended up in a care home. My father at 94 has gone into a care home, which his care is costing over a £1,000 a week. He scrimped and saved all his life and brought his own home served in the Tank Regiment in North Africa and Italy during the second World War, wounded in Italy. Now he has to turn around and sell every thing he has got including his house to pay for his care. In his mind that would have been mine , my sister's and his grandchildren inheritance, how is that right.

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Re: DLA( Disabled Living Allowance )

Post by ChrisCwmbran » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:41 pm

Alfie wrote:I'm afraid it's time you took off your blue tinted glasses ChrisCwmbran . In your view I would now be a member of the "Non-working class2 In fact I am classed as fully employed being my wife's carer, which the government seem fit to pay me £62 a week for. Way below minimum wage, but by looking after my wife at home I am saving the government vast amounts of money they don't have to spend, if my wife ended up in a care home. My father at 94 has gone into a care home, which his care is costing over a £1,000 a week. He scrimped and saved all his life and brought his own home served in the Tank Regiment in North Africa and Italy during the second World War, wounded in Italy. Now he has to turn around and sell every thing he has got including his house to pay for his care. In his mind that would have been mine , my sister's and his grandchildren inheritance, how is that right.
Sorry Alfie - I wasn't trying to imply that legitimate people on benefit fitted the "non-working class". I was intending it to be for those who don't want to work and consider their benefit to be a right.

If we could stop the fake claimants we could probably pay legitimate people like you and your father more.

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