News Westminister security incident

[Fastwalker]

Again, some one who was previously known about (MI5). When will this ever stop?The law needs to change to allow authorities to detain these monsters without trial to keep us safe. This will keep going on and on until this happens.Sorry if this upsets some people but we need to stop pussyfooting around with these potential terrorists.

[MRTT]

Met have carried out a controlled explosion on a suspect package found near Downing Street. Nobody injured, thankfully.

[Cornish-guy]

Met have carried out a controlled explosion on a suspect package found near Downing Street. Nobody injured, thankfully.

Probably someones sandwhiches with too much pickle


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[lozza]

Again, some one who was previously known about (MI5). When will this ever stop?The law needs to change to allow authorities to detain these monsters without trial to keep us safe. This will keep going on and on until this happens.Sorry if this upsets some people but we need to stop pussyfooting around with these potential terrorists.

You can't just go locking people up without trial, what about the innocent ones who get caught up, ah thats ok so long as its not you

[The Phantom]

Again, some one who was previously known about (MI5). When will this ever stop?The law needs to change to allow authorities to detain these monsters without trial to keep us safe. This will keep going on and on until this happens.Sorry if this upsets some people but we need to stop pussyfooting around with these potential terrorists.

You can't just go locking people up without trial, what about the innocent ones who get caught up, ah thats ok so long as its not you

If he'd have been locked up it would have saved 4 innocent lives and scores of people being injured.

[gamecock]

But he hadn't done anything to justify that until he mounted the pavement! Unless you can get arrested for not paying the congestion charge?

[The Phantom]

But he hadn't done anything to justify that until he mounted the pavement! Unless you can get arrested for not paying the congestion charge?

He had been jailed twice for two different knife attacks. He was known to MI5 because of his violent extremism. So a little more than your quip about congestion charges.

[bizfreeq]

Exactly he 'had been jailed' and therefore served time for crime comitted. He was known for violence not violent extremism, but was an extremist with extremist views. However you can't lock someone up for something they MIGHT do! Unless you have something concrete in the way of evidence of a plot then that would be grounds to detain.

[SG1]

[quote=" However you can't lock someone up for something they MIGHT do! Unless you have something concrete in the way of evidence of a plot then that would be grounds to detain.[/quote]

Yes you can, the Americans did just that in WW2.

[The Phantom]

Exactly he 'had been jailed' and therefore served time for crime comitted. He was known for violence not violent extremism, but was an extremist with extremist views. However you can't lock someone up for something they MIGHT do! Unless you have something concrete in the way of evidence of a plot then that would be grounds to detain.

It was quoted on one of the news site about the violent extremism - as to whether that is correct i wouldn't know. But he was certainly being watched at one point by MI5.
I agree that you can't lock people up for what might happen - but was just agreeing with the member that mentioned it that in this case that it would have saved 4 lives. But it is never going to happen - certainly not in this day and age.

And now I see on the news that there has been a copy-cat incident in Belgium. But early reports suggest people were able to jump out the way of the car trying to hit them - so fingers crossed they haven't suffered the terrible carnage seen in London.

[Sparts99]

If people are detained based on a suspicion of what they might do then the terrorists have won.

[Fastwalker]

If people are detained based on a suspicion of what they might do then the terrorists have won.

Oh well, might as well give up and let these atrocities happen then.

[Cornish-guy]

Yet people still rely on the news to provide them/us with a picture of what has happened


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[Cornish-guy]

Two things you cant tust for the facts - News and Weather, both un-accurate.


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[Gadget Man]

Fastwalker I can understand your frustration.
But these atrocities will never stop, they have been going on, since time began.
The law needs to change to allow authorities to detain these monsters without trial to keep us safe.
If this was to happen, then we would no longer be a democracy, but a Fascist state.
Then anyone could be classed as a potential terrorist. Re: WW2.

4 lives would have been saved if this rule had been applied.
No one can say that would be the case, as his friends could have gone out and killed more in revenge of him being locked up.

[quote=" However you can't lock someone up for something they MIGHT do! Unless you have something concrete in the way of evidence of a plot then that would be grounds to detain.[/quote]

SG1 replied. Yes you can, the Americans did just that in WW2.
Completely different situation they were at war with a country. The UK did the same and interned foreign nationals.

We just have to keep calm and carry on and be thankful that the police stopped him before he could kill more people.

Metropolitan Police Officers Roll of honour since 1946.
http://www.policememorial.org.uk/index. ... tan-police

[MRTT]

Been another incident in Islington this evening, a car has driven into a crowd of pedestrians and knives have been found in the vehicle, at least four injured.

[SG1]

[[/quote]SG1 replied. Yes you can, the Americans did just that in WW2.
Completely different situation they were at war with a country.[/quote]

It's only different because you choose to see it that way, we are at war with Islam fanatics who happen to be British citizens they are living among us just like the Japanese Americans, who mostly wanted to fight against Japan but where told we can't take the risk because some of them might betray the country of their birth, so they were interned, in our case we have to tar them with the same brush because if we don't we lose. Don't some of you understand most terrorists have demands these people don't,
they want to destroy us and they will carry on until the end of time.

[Gadget Man]

It was different simply because you could know who was Japanese.
You cannot know who is or intends to be an Islamic Fanatic.
So who decides who should be locked up with no trial?
The only thing which will be achieved by a law such as you are advocating is complete anarchy.

A prime example: Last year a democratic vote was held to either stay in the EU or leave. The leave vote won.
Yet Tens of thousands of anti-Brexit demonstrators fell silent at Parliament Square in tribute to the victims of the Westminster attack.

[SG1]

It was different simply because you could know who was Japanese.
You cannot know who is or intends to be an Islamic Fanatic.
So who decides who should be locked up with no trial?
The only thing which will be achieved by a law such as you are advocating is complete anarchy

How far away from complete anarchy would YOU like to be before someone has the balls to says enough is enough? I've said before, that was just one Islamic terrorist with just a knife and a car, wait and see what happens when a coach load turn up outside parliament.

[Gadget Man]

One result of when someone had the balls to says enough is enough.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-s ... e_massacre