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Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

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Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by scottspencer » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:37 pm

Evening

My log from today. Can anyone confirm the French Alpha Jet if possible. Also noted a Army Air Corps Gazelle by one of their display stands (seen at a distance)

Any corrections/additions welcomed.

Geoff - if you read this drop me a PM

STATIC
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188783 McDonnell Douglas CF-18A Hornet 567 Royal Canadian Air Force
30+77 Eurofighter Typhoon T GT020 German Air Force
32542 SAAB Lansen J-32B 32542 Swedish Air Force
37+89 McDonnell Douglas F-4F Phantom II 4572 Hawker Hunter Aviation
98+14 Sukhoi Su-22 M-4 30918 German Air Force
BGA1165 Slingsby T.45 Swallow 1407 Private
G-AEBJ Blackburn B.2 6300/8 BAE Systems Heritage Flight
G-AJXV Taylorcraft Auster Auster IV 1065 Private
G-ASTG Nord 1002 Pingouin II 183 Private
G-ATJN Dormois Jodel D.125 863 Private
G-AZWS Piper PA-28R 180 Cherokee Arrow 28R-30749 Private
G-BAGT Helio Super Courier H.295 1288 Private
G-BCUO Scottish Aviation Bulldog 122A BH.120-371 Cranfield University
G-BJAL CASA Jungmann 1-131E 1028 Private
G-BKOU Hunting Percival Jet Provost T.3 PAC/W/13901 Horizon Flight Training
G-CDXL Flight Design CT SW 06-05-17 Private
G-CGKB Grob G-115 E Tutor 82302/E Ministry of Defence
G-CIGH Max Holste Broussard MH 1521M 310 Private
G-CIYU RotorSport UK Calidus RSUK/CALS/029 Paul Michael Bidston
G-CJXN Centrair C201 B Marianne 201B035 Private
G-CKFB Schempp-Hirth Discus 2 T 30/179 Private
G-EBLV de Havilland Cirrus Moth DH.60 188 BAE Systems Heritage Flight
G-EFSM Slingsby T.67 M-260 Firefly 2072 Private
G-EGCA Rans Coyote II S-6ES LAA 204-15193 Private
G-GWFT Rans Coyote II S-6ES LAA 204-15096 Private
G-LNAC Leonardo AW.169 69023 Specialist Aviation Services Ltd
G-MAFB Reims-Cessna F406 Caravan II 406-0080 Directflight
G-NEWA Rans Coyote II S-6ES LAA 204-15224 Private
G-RFCA Tecnam P.2008 JC 08JC-1061 Private
G-RFCB Tecnam P.2008 JC 1076 Private
G-UAPO Ruschmeyer R90 230RG 019 Private
G-UKCS Piper PA-31 310 Turbo Navajo B 31-7400984 2 Excel Aviation Ltd
G-ZATG Diamond Aircraft Twin Star DA42 42.319 Directflight Ltd
IR808 Reproduction CH-47D Chinook Replica Royal Air Force Exhibition Unit
J-509 General Dynamics F-16AM Fighting Falcon 6D-148 Royal Netherlands Air Force
J-624 General Dynamics F-16AM Fighting Falcon 6D-56 Royal Netherlands Air Force
KK527 Fairchild F.24 R-46A Argus III R46-1145 Private
SE-DXB SAAB Tunnan J-29F 29670 Swedish Air Force Historic Flight
SE-DXN SAAB Viggen AJS-37 37098 Swedish Air Force Historic Flight
SE-DXP SAAB Draken Sk-35C 35810 Swedish Air Force Historic Flight
WG308 de Havilland DHC-1 Chipmunk 22 C1/0361 Private
WK558 de Havilland DHC-1 Chipmunk 22A C1/0575 Private
WP973 de Havilland DHC-1 Chipmunk 22 C1/0839 Private
WZ706 Auster Aircraft Auster AOP.9 B5/10/32 Private
XN185 Slingsby T.21 B Sedbergh TX.1 1164 Scampton Heritage Centre
XR571 Folland Gnat T.1 FL561 Royal Air Force
XW324 British Aircraft Corporation Jet Provost T.5 EEP/JP/988 Jeffrey Bell
XX227 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312063 Royal Air Force
XX253 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312089 Royal Air Force
XX308 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1 41H-312133 Royal Air Force
XX325 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1 41H-312150 Royal Air Force
XX346 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312170 Royal Air Force
XX436 Westland/Aerospatiale Gazelle SA.341C HT.2 1402 Paul John Whitaker
XX885 Blackburn Buccaneer S.2B B3-01-73 Hawker Hunter Aviation
ZA601 Panavia Tornado GR.4 BS040 Royal Air Force
ZA634 Slingsby T.61 F Falke Venture T.3 1970 Private
ZE636 Grob G 103A Twin Astir II Acro Viking T.1 33996-K-229 Royal Air Force
ZF377 Short Tucano T.1 T91 Royal Air Force
ZF378 Short Tucano T.1 T92 Royal Air Force
ZG775 Panavia Tornado GR.4 BS187 Royal Air Force
ZJ267 Eurocopter Squirrel AS.350 HT.1 2996 Royal Air Force
ZJ990 EH Industries EH.101 Merlin HC.3A 50089 Royal Navy
ZK029 British Aerospace Hawk T.2 RT020 Royal Air Force
ZK314 Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4 BS071 Royal Air Force
ZK315 Eurofighter Typhoon FGR4 BS074 Royal Air Force
ZK452 Raytheon Aircraft Company King Air B200 BB-1832 Royal Air Force
ZM306 Grob Prefect T.1 11118 Ministry of Defence
ZZ191 Hawker Hunter F.58 41H-697425 Hawker Hunter Aviation


FLYING DISPLAY
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124485 Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress 8693 B-17 Preservation Ltd
99+18 North American Rockwell OV-10B Bronco 338-3 Private
C-FPSH Dornier Do 228 202 8071 Summit Air
E26 Dassault-Breguet Alpha Jet E E26 French Air Force
FA-123 General Dynamics F-16AM Fighting Falcon 6H-123 Belgian Air Component
FA-136 General Dynamics F-16AM Fighting Falcon 6H-136 Belgian Air Component
G-AHKX Avro Anson C.19 Srs.2 1333 BAE Systems Heritage Flight
G-DISP RotorSport UK Calidus RSUK/CALS/030 Peter Jonathan Troy-Davies
G-EWIZ Amateur Built Pitts Special SE Special S.18 Private
G-EXIL Extra EA.300 S 1036 Private
G-EXTR Extra EA.260 004 Private
G-IHHI Extra EA.300 SC SC060 Private
G-IITC Mudry CAP-232 15 Thomas William Cassells
G-OSRB Boeing 727 2S2F 22929 T2 Aviation Oil Response
G-PBYA Canadian Vickers Catalina Canso A CV283 Catalina Aircraft Ltd
G-SIJJ North American P-51D Mustang 122-31894 Hangar 11 Collection
G-SOAF British Aircraft Corporation Strikemaster Mk.90 Private
LN-DHY FFA Vampire FB.6 705 Royal Norwegian Air Force Historic Flight
LN-DHZ FFA Vampire T.55 990 Royal Norwegian Air Force Historic Flight
N74189 Boeing Stearman A75N1 PT-17 Kaydet 75-717 Breitling Wingwalkers
PA474 Avro Lancaster B.I n/a Royal Air Force
PS915 Vickers Supermarine Spitfire PR.XIX 6S.585121 Royal Air Force
PZ865 Hawker Hurricane IIc Royal Air Force
SE-BOG Boeing Stearman B75N1 N2S-3 Kaydet 75-7128 Breitling Wingwalkers
WV740 Percival Pembroke C.1 41 Horizon Aircraft Services
XW325 British Aircraft Corporation Jet Provost T.5A EEP/JP/989 Horizon Flight Training
XX177 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1 41H-312024 Royal Air Force
XX204 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312051 Royal Air Force
XX219 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312055 Royal Air Force
XX242 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312078 Royal Air Force
XX245 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1 41H-312081 Royal Air Force
XX311 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1 41H-312136 Royal Air Force
XX319 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312144 Royal Air Force
XX322 Hawker Siddeley Hawk T.1A 41H-312147 Royal Air Force
ZB627 Westland/Aerospatiale Gazelle SA.341D HT.3 1914 Paul John Whitaker
ZH106 Boeing Sentry AEW.1 24114 Royal Air Force
ZJ691 Bombardier Global Express Sentinel R.1 9123 Royal Air Force


HELICOPTER FLIGHTS
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G-BLGV Bell 206B Jet Ranger II 982 Heliflight (UK) Ltd
G-RAVN Robinson R44 Raven 1022 Brambledown Aircraft Hire
G-SPEY Agusta-Bell AB.206B Jet Ranger III 8608 Castle Air
G-XXIV Agusta-Bell AB.206B Jet Ranger III 8717 Castle Air Ltd
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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by slogen51 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:41 pm

Great log

I read off Alpha jet E26 /705-ND but there was another Alpha jet in a similar scheme in the flight line

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by scottspencer » Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:42 pm

Thanks, if anyone can confirm them it would be great!

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by sft » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:22 pm

The Alpha jet would be E42/705-TA and your static list is missing the Lansen 32542 SE-RMD "23"

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by reheat » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:51 pm

Should this not be shown in the Civil Aviation section? Sooo glad I didn't go to that one. :(
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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by eagle driver » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:40 am

I thought the PFA rally was last week .

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by anthony martin » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:29 am

Gazelle was xz327 taken from plate in cockpit

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by andrewn » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:17 am

couple more Hawk's from the Reds - XX325, XX227
A.109 G-MAOL was IN/OUT early AM as "Ascot 1261"

Sorry - I can see you had '227 and '325 down as STATIC - presuambly as these were the non-flyers?
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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by croaky » Sun Sep 10, 2017 8:51 am

Both Hawks XX227 and XX308 on the show site are Bapc replica's. HTH

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by plmc135 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:05 am

eagle driver wrote:I thought the PFA rally was last week .
Thought it was at Fairford in July :ninja:

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by SDToone » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:07 am

Hello,
Does anyone know the ID of the Canberra cockpit outside the heritage hangar?
MTIA

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by scottspencer » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:36 am

Couldnt see a reg. Noted the cockpit inside

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by andrewn » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:13 am

croaky wrote:Both Hawks XX227 and XX308 on the show site are Bapc replica's. HTH
yes - but XX227 (the real one I assume) was on the line as well. The last of the founding jets still in use with the RA?

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by SpilsbyPete » Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:46 pm

I agree.

A great log for the Scampton show

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by freebirduk » Sun Sep 10, 2017 4:08 pm

Looked like 3x Hunters over on the north-east side of the field. Any ideas?

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by richardp2 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:28 pm

I notice people are critical as to it being predominantly civil. Can I point out that organising an event at a new venue is not simple. I am sure some will remember the first IAT, not that large at first, but look at it now, a world leader in the aviation calendar. Give Scampton time to get established as an event. and of course, if anyone can do better, please don't let me get in your way of organising one.

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by David Robison » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:37 am

The AAC Gazelle would be the unmarked recruiting aid
XZ 327.
Anyone ID the Typhoon that closed the show on Sunday ?

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by Droptank » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:16 pm

Dear Rogerp.

I decided not to attend the Scampton show in July, immediately following RIAT.

I'm certainly not gloating about that as I, no doubt like many others, would have loved to have had a day or two looking at modern military aviation, demonstrated by the best pilots, coupled with the very special experience of being at the home of the Red Arrows- how could it fail?

I left my decision until after RIAT as I assumed the DBH guys had a whole host of fascinating and unique attendees up their sleeve but didn't announce them as they didn't want to distract attendance of RIAT.

This proved to be unfounded as the lineup changed very little during the time leading up to the show.

Reading through the feedback posted in this forum and after discussions with people who did attend the show, it definitely didn't live up to the expectations everybody had, and wished for, when the show was announced.

If you consider that the show was organised by the team responsible for delivering the world's best airshow, those expectations, quite rightly, were pretty high, particularly as the organisers already have existing relationships with almost every air arm on the planet.

Many posters have said to "give Scampton a break" or "RIAT started slowly like this", well, being an old-time attendee at all the IAT/RIAT shows since 1973 I can assure you IAT DIDN'T start like this!...there was one difference...THEY HAD PASSION!

IAT by its very nature was always a Military show and there was hardly a G-Reg or civil aircraft in sight until the show joined forces in more recent years working in conjunction with Farnborough- remove the civil participation from the 2017 Scampton log and it's a sorry state.

OK, the more unique aircraft are a thing of the past admittedly but there are still plenty of interesting and new aircraft around to attract, even when compared with RAF Cosford show, which has challenges of its own, Scampton fell way short.

The main thread of the feedback on this forum is driven purely by frustration, if you look at the contributing factors to delivering a better Scampton show, it should have been much, much better than it was.

The factors are;-

Best organising team in Europe
Good marketing
Central UK location close to three front-line RAF bases
Years of experience
Home of the Red Arrows
Hundreds of existing military contacts
Good budget availability
Feedback from enthusiasts and general public on social media
New show

The outcome was;-

The show content and flying display was poorly delivered (particularly for the ticket price)
Flying display contingency was non-existent
The catering was poor- even in the premium areas
The traffic management was confusing

These factors are basics that the team has organised so many times in the past that they should have been able to offer a first class experience.

That's what people are commenting on!!!!

I feel sure that when the dust has settled and the coffers counted, the show will be deemed a success and hopefully it will contribute vital funds to the charities it supports.

Sadly that isn't going to drive any change or desire for improvement for next year.


I must draw a parallel with the show at Woodford where I worked closely with the organising team.

They had just five people organising the show, all had other "day jobs" it was held at a factory airfield with a very short runway and limited hardstandings for static, in June (when it seemingly always rained) and a very limited budget availability and in some cases a lack of awareness where the airfield actually was!

The difference was that the show was driven by the passion and trust of the people involved and the maturing relationship with the air arms or civilian organisations operating the aircraft.

EVERY aircraft at Woodford shows (particularly in latter years) was interesting in its own right and on one occasion the ambition of attracting all three national European display teams was achieved (PDF, Reds, Frecce) in addition to many, many firsts such as the Beriev Mermaid debut (despite what IAT claimed), Constellation, US Navy F14/18, Russian Flankers, B1- the list goes on.

So it can still be done, it just depends how high you aim and in the case of the organisers of Scampton air show, I am sure everybody on this forum would like them to aim lot higher.

You also mention that if anybody could do better then "have a go".....OK, I'm up for that even if just on an advisory basis.

Droptank.

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by reaper493 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:44 pm

I think you might have popped this in the wrong section....

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Re: Scampton Air Show - Saturday 9th September 2017 LOG

Post by Thunder » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:53 pm

Couldn't have put it any better Droptank, for what could've and should've been a great show turned out to be a massive missed opportunity. I said all along that DBH had a conflict of interests when tasked with organising the show, and in no way was there going to be any thing in the participation list that would steal any limelight from RIAT.

Home of the Reds and they couldn't even attract one other National display team, yet not even 250 miles away they were enjoying no less than 7 and countless fast jet solo teams.

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