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Re: No Reds at Farnborough 2016

Post by C24 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:29 pm

Scudpilot wrote:
Mike wrote:
Scudpilot wrote:OK, perhaps I worded it badly, but, my point was, they will not be carrying out their usual display.
Why not edit the thread title to something that is more apt?

Until I saw your post, I was not aware that you could.

But as yet you have not edited the title :S :Oops:

Just as I posted the above comment, it all changed. What a wonderful World, full of magic :)
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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by plmc135 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:35 pm

Personally I think the decision regarding the Red Arrows is the correct one. I used to live in Sandhurst in a residential area and I was standing in my front garden watching a Red's display at Farnborough several years ago.

When they performed the bomb burst manoeuvre at least one aircraft ended up over our house at a very low altitude, like their display or not, there were very few feet to spare from potential disaster. As has been stated the area around Farnborough airfield is very built up, indeed a new housing estate was built almost at the end of the runway. It is not the ideal venue for aerobatic manoeuvres, perhaps it is time to find an alternative site if companies wish to display their aircraft to the full.

I am frankly surprised that it has needed the awful events of Shoreham to change how things are conducted at Farnborough, how far away from a potential disaster was the Breguet Atlantic that went down behind the black sheds.

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by Blackcat1 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:38 pm

Will they do full display at RIAT ? As lots of areas with enthusiasts around the base for eg Rhymes field?
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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by slogen51 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:52 pm

The western end at Farnborough is uninhabited. One road and a canal path. To block the canal path during a display is madness. There is more chance of falling in the canal than being hit by a hawk.

I accept that displaying over some ones house is pushing it a bit but over fields and roads shouldn't be an issue unless you have a one in ten thousand like Shoreham.


Farnborough airfield has been there a lot longer than any of the houses at the Eastern end .

The Reds are world famous and a national treasure and I really despair if the authorities cannot find a bold solution instead of the ban it all syndrome.

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by bizfreeq » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:39 pm

Brilliant that, the airfield was there first, so therefore you must be saying we should ignore the safety issues that the houses now present. Most ridiculous statement made in this thread so far and that's saying something!
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Post by slogen51 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:48 pm

So you are saying the Reds are not safe??

As mentioned no houses exist at the western end anyway

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Post by jem60 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:00 pm

Common sense should rule here.. This is ONE Airshow. Live with it. Many other Red Arrow displays will continue unaffected.

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Post by bizfreeq » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:05 pm

slogen51 wrote:So you are saying the Reds are not safe??

As mentioned no houses exist at the western end anyway
No I'm not but the RAF are saying (as it is they who have pulled the display, no one else) that it isn't safe for them to display at Farnborough and as far as I'm concerned they are in a far better position to make that judgement than you, I, or anyone else here.
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Post by slogen51 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:06 pm

True. They will be at Bournemouth or am I being ridiculous again :P

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Post by UKADGE » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:14 pm

Why not move 'Farnborough' to Fairford. Either Hold it the week after RIAT, or combine the events. Two years to think about it and come up with an alternative venue. The Aerospace companies need some place to show off their kit and wears at its best. Not be hemmed in by the changing face of the airfield its self and the housing developments. Farnborough is hallowed ground and the cradle of British Aviation, but viability as a flying display venue, it is increasingly looking untenable.

That said the CAA response to the Shoreham crash is an attack on the British airshow, in terms of increased costs and charges.... are they really justified ? A tightening of rules and regulation yes. Because this crash has highlighted shortcomings in the CAA its self.. Airshow organizers and display authorization. But did they really need to slap such huge increases in costs in to the bargain too ?
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Post by gyvespa » Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:15 pm

Any one remember my 'Not Looking Good' thread of March 2nd 2016.

viewtopic.php?f=287&t=126787

Well, it's still not looking good :-(
Unfortunately I may have been correct (for once).

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:03 pm

slogen51 wrote: Farnborough airfield has been there a lot longer than any of the houses at the Eastern end.
Oh, I see. Then it's all ok then - they obviously don't matter.

As I said, just move the display datum. No one will be able to see the display, but it seems everyone will be happy. :P

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by slogen51 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:03 pm

It was ok to display at EGLF in 2014, 2012,2010 and oh yes 2008 etc

Didn't see you raise objections on here then.

Fact is they are not displaying , this is discussion and those are my opinions. My opinion is that it is a knee jerk reaction as professional teams are safe as is aviation in general. Safety is the number one priority in any form of aviation and display teams are no different. It goes without saying that when a red arrow goes to work he/she fully expects to come home just like you and me.


Sorry if my opinion differs to yours but I disagree with you.
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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by ColintheCaterpillar » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:41 pm

slogen51 wrote:It was ok to display at EGLF in 2014, 2012,2010 and oh yes 2008 etc

Didn't see you raise objections on here then.

Fact is they are not displaying , this is discussion and those are my opinions. My opinion is that it is a knee jerk reaction as professional teams are safe as is aviation in general. Safety is the number one priority in any form of aviation and display teams are no different. It goes without saying that when a red arrow goes to work he/she fully expects to come home just like you and me.


Sorry if my opinion differs to yours but I disagree with you.
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I'm not objecting to anything now - rather I'm stating that it's difficult to argue with the logic of the decision. We used to do lots of things that we've subsequently decided are no longer safe/legal/morally acceptable.

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Post by slogen51 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:51 pm

Fair enough I do know what you mean.

But the 'logic of the decision ' is exactly my issue

Anyway Farnborough often has a good quality static - quality over quantity.

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by jem60 » Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:10 pm

Display teams are safe. However, in the last fortnight, the Thunderbirds have lost an aircraft, the Blue Angels lost an aircraft and pilot, the Russian Knights lost an aircraft and pilot, and the Patrouille Swiss lost an aircraft. However, teams are safe???

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by C24 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:27 am

Jem60 summarises the situation quite well in my opinion.

Also, for those of you with a short memory, please remember .. Flt Lt Jon Egging, pilot of Red 4 ( XX179).

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by the concerned » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:21 am

At the end of the day Farnborough is a tradeshow first not a public display so whether its a full display or curtailed one is not going to change customers minds on what they want to purchase. On a show like this the reds are not the be all and end all of the event.

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by morticiaskeeper » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:42 am

John Egging is always remembered, but not many remember Sean Cunningham.

Just like Ayrton Senna and Roland Ratzenberger.

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Re: Reds not doing full display at Farnborough - Flypasts on

Post by slogen51 » Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:00 am

C24 wrote:Jem60 summarises the situation quite well in my opinion.
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Did he. Do you mean teams are no longer deemed safe to perform anymore? What about singleton aerobatics are they ok?

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