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Farnborough 1964

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Farnborough 1964

Post by Ken Cloke » Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:21 am

Please could someone provide a list of the 74 sqn Lightning F2s which were at the Sept 1964 Farnborough show. Air Pictorial has the list of the squadron allocation and says aircraft "taken from..." but that doesn't tell me which ones were there.

Much appreciated. Ken

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by graham luxton » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:56 am

Hi Ken,
I went to the show on Sunday the 13th but don't recall any 74 Sqdn Lightning's being there.
These are the Lightning's I noted:

XP697 F3 Manufactures a/c

XM995/T T4, XN728/B, XN733/L, XN735/J, XN768/S, XN788/R, XN789/G, XN790/E - F2's, all 92 Sqdn

cheers.
Graham

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by tm74sqn » Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:40 am

In any case, 74 Sqn never had Lightning F2s. They received F1s at Coltishall in 1960, then moved to Leuchars in 1964 where they received F3s. Then on to F6s in 1966.
HTH, TM 74

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by Precinct7 » Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:41 pm

graham luxton wrote:Hi Ken,
I went to the show on Sunday the 13th but don't recall any 74 Sqdn Lightning's being there.
These are the Lightning's I noted:

XP697 F3 Manufactures a/c

XM995/T T4, XN728/B, XN733/L, XN735/J, XN768/S, XN788/R, XN789/G, XN790/E - F2's, all 92 Sqdn

cheers.
Graham

Ken / Graham

in addition to Graham's list I also logged these 92 sq Lightning F2 at Farnborough Sunday September 13th 1964

XN786/B, XN732/H, XN793/K

How about aircraft in the flypast's
RN Sea Vixen & Scimitar and RAF Hunter's
lots of gaps here any offers?

I remember watching Bulldog K2227 spin in to the ground,
next time I saw it was 40+ years later on the back of a lorry on the M25 after a long rebuild

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by Ken Cloke » Sat Jul 27, 2013 10:47 am

Many thanks for your input gents. I was nearly 4 at the time (visit was Saturday as I remember the Bulldog and learning it crashed the following day) so the memory is clouded regarding the squadron of the Lightnings. I remenber them taxying out from in front of the Black Sheds and being spectacularly noisy on take off.

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by graham luxton » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:54 am

Thanks Ken,
it was a good excuse to look back on what was a very impressive show. I also remember the Bulldog - it crashed in front of me!

Precinct 7
thanks for the extra Lightning's, I reckon they were the ones that didn't fly that day and were difficult for me to read off - otherwise I'm sure I'd have noted them down.

I have a list of Sea Vixen's(6), Scimitar's(12), and Hunter's(24) that were confirmed during the week but none specifically for Sunday.

Of the 8 Sea Vixen's on Sunday I didn't get any. Of the 8 Scimitar's I got XD230/157, XD271/155 (both 803 Sqdn) and XD241/614 (736 Sqdn). Only got codes for the 8 Hunter's but most were carried by both No.1 and 54 Sqdn's. Unfortunately, my original notes from that day went missing long ago and I don't know for certain which codes applied to which Sqdn formation, anyway you may have more accurate details.
`A` (XE615/1 or XG254/ 54 Sqdn ), `D` (XG164/1 or XG264/54), `H` (XJ712/ 1 or XG151/54), `K` (XJ713/1 or XF420 54), `Q` XF519/1, `R` XJ717/54, `V` (XE646/1 or XF517/54) and `W` (XE584/1 or XG252/54).

Be good to tie these up after all this time,

cheers,
Graham

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by Precinct7 » Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:45 pm

Graham

will did out notes & logs,
The Hunters were I believe flying from Odiham & the Navy from Yeovilton

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by Precinct7 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:07 pm

Hi Graham

I thought I would revisit my Farnborough 1964 log,
I still have the hand written list a friend and myself put together soon after the event
with the help of various web sites & Air Britain publications have weeded out apparent mis-poles etc
So here is my list for the various flypasts

Hunters
XE615/A, XG624/B, 1 sq
XF517/V , XG151/H, XG264/D, XG273/U, 54 sq

Sea Vixen FAW.1 890 sq
XN656/251, XN688/240, XJ520/254

Scimitar F.1 803 sq tail code R
XD214/146, , XD225/147. XD241/150, XD246/152. XD278/145

You have XD241 as 614 , I had the same info written down from an unknown source
At a later date, but then correct to code 150
I had another 4 x S Vixen and 3 Scimitar serials which are incorrect,
we did not have any codes down for the Navy aircraft only serials

Just for good measure the 14 sq Canberra B(I) 8 were
WT336, WT345, WT366, WT368
These operated from Wyton and correcting my previous posting the Hunters did NOT
Operate from Odiham

Your two 803 sq Scimitars check out OK so that 7 out of 8 and two extra Hunters

Only took 49 years to sort out

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by topcatreno » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:09 am

Hi Ken/Graham – I am new to Fighter Control but saw your Farnborough 1964 request and couldn't resist looking my log up.
I agree with everything posted but:
The Lightning XN786 I had coded as D (which then does not clash with XN728/B)
I also had Scimitar XD241 as 614 in 736Sqn., marks. My log included XD250/147 XD320/148 XD235/149 XD267/151 XD225/154 and XD223/156 but I was there several days and my log is a bit hazy on what was seen on what day.
Sea Vixens noted: XN708/224 XN709/246 XJ483/248 XJ581/253
The 14Sqn., Canberras checked out with mine.
Hope this helps and doesn’t hinder – I was in my teens and using a ‘powerful’ 8x telescope which I still own.
TC

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by DAVEBRAD » Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:02 pm

hi,
thanks,that clears my Scimitars, can anyone help with the 9 x Jet Provests ( XP573,XP552).

9 X Yellowjacks.

Wessex,s coded A,H,E,L,N,C.

thanks and regards
dave...

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by mustang5861 » Thu May 01, 2014 6:06 pm

Dave,
I was out of town when this thread started, so I hope the info below (from the Farnborough checklist in Air Pictorial Oct '64) fills in some gaps re. the RAF JP, Gnat and Wessex involvement, as well as adding some info about other participants. Note that the RAF and FAA both had Wessex involvement, but from the 'O' in your list of codes I'd say it was the RAF ones you are looking for.

Unfortunately the checklist does not specify on which date(s) individual aircraft were involved; and note that the Hunter list is very definitely incomplete and that some other serials/codes disagree with details in previous posts - I'm just throwing it all into the mix in the hope that it is of some use!

Cheers,
Rob


AAC PARTICIPATION
Beaver AL.1 (6 Flt) XP805


RAF PARTICIPATION
Argosy C.1 (114 and 267 Sqns)
Three aircraft drawn from (114 Sqn) XN853, XN856, XR134 and XR142 (plus XR141 for free-fall parachutists); (267 Sqn) Three aircraft drawn from XR138, XR139, XR143 and XR146

Canberra B(I).8 (14 Sqn)
Four aircraft drawn from WT333, WT336, WT339, WT345, WT366 and WT368

Gnat T.1 (4 FTS/’Yellowjacks’)
Five aircraft drawn from XR540, XR986, XR987, XR991, XR992, XR993, XR994, XR995 and XR996

Hunter FGA.9 (1 and 54 Sqns)
Four aircraft including (1 Sqn) XG151; (54 Sqn) Four aircraft including XF517 and XG262

Jet Provost T.4 (CFS ‘Red Pelicans’)
Six aircraft drawn from XP549/’40’, XP550/’41’, XP551/’42’, XP552/’43’, XP553/’44’, XP554/’45’, XP571/’47’, XP572/’48’ and XP573/’49’

Lightning F.2 and T.4* (92 Sqn)
Six aircraft drawn from XM995/’T’*, XN728/’B’, XN786/’D’, XN790/’E’, XN789/’G’, XN732/’H’, XN735/’J’, XN793/’K’, XN733/’L’, XN788/’R’ and XN768/’S’

Victor B.2 (100 and 139 Sqns)
XL191 (100 Sqn) alternating with XL190 (139 Sqn)

Vulcan B.2 (9 Sqn)
One aircraft from XM596 and XM600

Wessex HC.2 (18 and 72 Sqns)
Twelve aircraft drawn from (18 Sqn) XR499/’A’, XR515/’B’, XR501/’C’, XR502/’D’, XR516/’E’, XR504/’F’, XR517/’G’, XR506/’H’, XR507/’J’, XR508/’K’, XR518/’L’, XR519/’M’, XR509/’N’, XR510/’O’ and XR511/’P’; (72 Sqn) XR505, XR521, XR522 and XR523


FAA PARTICIPATION
Scimitar F.1 (803 and 736 Sqns) Eight aircraft drawn from (803 Sqn) XD278/’145’, XD214/’146’, XD250/’147’, XD320/’148’, XD235/’149’, XD267/’151’, XD225/’154’, XD271/’155’, XD223/’156’ and XD230/’157’; (736 Sqn) XD241/’614’

Sea Vixen FAW.1 (890 and 766 Sqns) Eight aircraft drawn from (890 Sqn) XN688/’240’, XN708/’244’, XN709/’246’, XJ483/’248’, XN656/’251’, XJ581/’253’ and XJ520/’254’; (766 Sqn) XN700/’710’, XJ478/’711’, XJ482/’713’, XJ492/’715’, XJ561/’716’ and XJ485/’720’

Wessex HC.5 (849 Sqn) Twelve aircraft drawn from XS479/’A’, XS480/’B’, XS481/’C’, XS482/’D’, XS483/’E’, XS485/’F’, XS487/’H’, XS489/’K’, XS491/’L’, XS492/’M’, XS493/’N’, XS494/’P’, XS495/’Q’, XS496/’R’, XS497/’S’ and XS498/’T’


STATIC DISPLAY MILITARY EXHIBITS (* = also in Flying Display)
BAC 221 WG774*; Beagle B.206R XS743; Belfast C.1 XR364* (supported in air on trade days by XR362 and XR363); Buccaneer S.2 XN976*; Gnat T.1 XM691*; Herald 400 FM1024* (Royal Malaysian AF); HP 115 XP841*; Hunter F.6 580* (desert camo); Hunter 12 XE531 (RAE); Jet Provost T.4 XS280*; Jet Provost T.52 603 (Iraqi AF); Lightning F.3 XP697*; P.1127 XS688* (supported in air on trade days by XP984 and XS689); Scout AH.1 XP907 and XP910*; Shackleton MR.3 XF708/’A’ (120 Sqn); Skeeter AOP.12 XL764; Victor B.2 XL233 (100 and 139 Sqn nose badges); Vulcan B.2 XM595 (27, 83 and 617 Sqn badges); Wasp AS.1 XT414 and XS572*; Wessex HAS.1 XM837*; Wessex HC.2 XR526*; Wessex HC.5 XS484* and XS510; Whirlwind HAR.10 XJ764 and XP299*


VISITORS (military)
Anson C.19/2 VM352 (RAE Llanbedr); Auster AOP.9 WZ672 and XN412; Chipmunk T.10 WP962 (RAF Henlow); Devon C.1 VP979 (A&AEE) and XA880 (RRE); Meteor T.7½ VW411 (RAE Bedford) Sea Prince C.2 WJ350 (FONFT); Scout AH.1 XR604


RESIDENT AIRCRAFT
RAE: Chipmunk T.10 WG419; Comet 2 WG419; Devon C.1 VP959, VP975 and XM223; Hastings C.1 TG618 and TG619; Meteor T.7 WA714; Shackleton MR.2 WG557; Shackleton MR.3 WR972; Shackleton T.4 VP293; Whirlwind HAR.5 XJ445 and Whirlwind HAR.10 XJ412
ETPS: Canberra B.2 WE121/’19’ and WH715/’27’; Canberra T.4 WH854/’30’; Devon C.1 VP980/’1’; Scout AH.1 XP165/’5’; Viscount XR801 and XR802; Whirlwind HAR.4 XJ759/’4’ and Whirlwind HAS.7 XK907/’9’

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by DAVEBRAD » Fri May 09, 2014 10:09 pm

hi,
thanks again, for the 1964 list this time, I,ve got Air Pictorial from that time and know they gave lists which included colour schemes, but they are in the depth of our attic, and I,m sure there are critters back there!

thanks again for the 64+66 lists incidently there were some Provost and Hunter fuselages round the back I noted also.

regards, dave...

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by Elwood » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:49 pm

Could anyone confirm the presence of "our" Canberra WT333 present in the display? I ask because Air Pictorial lists her, along with some others, as being with 14 Sqn operating from Wyton; this is interesting since we have always understood that she did not serve with the RAF during her flying career. Yes she was a B(I)8 at this time but our understanding was that, at this time, she was with Marshalls at Cambridge - probably in storage. Any help would be much appreciated.

Listening out,

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by Plane Speaker » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:35 pm

I suspect this is a typo error as Air-Britain's report doesn't even list any 14 Sqn. Canberras although Mike Hooks "40 Years at Farnborough book gives just ' four 14 Sqn. Canberras" with no serials. My 'Canberra bible' in the Midland Counties book by Ken Delve, Peter Green and John Clemons which does say that WT333 was with Marshalls and did not see squadron service.

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by mustang5861 » Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:31 am

Plane Speaker wrote:I suspect this is a typo error as Air-Britain's report doesn't even list any 14 Sqn. Canberras although Mike Hooks "40 Years at Farnborough book gives just ' four 14 Sqn. Canberras" with no serials. My 'Canberra bible' in the Midland Counties book by Ken Delve, Peter Green and John Clemons which does say that WT333 was with Marshalls and did not see squadron service.
I went back and checked the Oct '64 AirPic list, just in case it was me that got it wrong when adding the list to this thread. No; if it's a typo, it started life when AirPic compiled the original list. I remember WT333 ringing a bell when I saw the serial - I used to see her in the circuit at RAE/DRA Bedford in the early '90s; she was easily distinguished by the natural metal tip-tanks with (certainly on the port side) a faded Dayglo stripe. The tip-tanks were later repainted red (as per the other Canberra workhorses) to blend in with the rest of the 'Raspberry Ripple' scheme. Happy days!

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by Elwood » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:36 pm

I don't suppose mustang5861 has any photos of WT333 from those days?

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by mustang5861 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:35 pm

Elwood wrote:I don't suppose mustang5861 has any photos of WT333 from those days?
Hello Elwood,

Yes, I do have shots of various of the RAE Bedford Canberras in the early 1990s, including WT333, all in 'Raspberry Ripple'. The majority are on finals ('333 definitely among them) but there are some taxying/parked shots outside the main hangars, though I can't remember if '333 is among the latter.

I'll be back home in the next couple of weeks and will sort out what I have and get round to scanning the slides and posting the images.

All the best,
M

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by ZappaFan » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:15 pm

Just picking up on this. To confirm other posts the listing of Canberra "WT333" is an error. Lightning XN786 was indeed coded 'D' not 'B'.

The Scimitar situation is not really resolved. Scimitar XD241 was 'R/150' (noted as such in 1962 and current until 5.65 when it went to Lossiemouth AHU; XD224 was '614' from 1962-6.65). Scimitar '147' was XD250 not XD225 which was '154' (XD225 became '147' at a later date).

A request: could "DAVEBRAD" tell me which day he was present and logged the two JP's and the Wessex codes please?

I may have more to add to this, at least for Saturday 12th Sept 1964.

Cheers, ZF.

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by DAVEBRAD » Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:41 pm

hi,
sorry for late reply, it was Sunday I was there, as regards the JP's in my well worn, ripped, grubby note book I've put "Jet Provosts XP573 +5 others XP552", the Wessex's I've marked"6 army+ 6navy, the army codes I've put as A,H. The navy as A,H,E,L,N,C ?"
I honestly do wish digital cameras had been about back then...but then i'd have the problem of storage of them all.

hope it dose'nt muddy the waters and helps. regards
dave...

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Re: Farnborough 1964

Post by ZappaFan » Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:04 pm

Dave - Thanks for date confirmation. By 'Army' Wessex you mean Air Force a/c methinks. Digital cameras in the 60's.....(Sheldon, get the time machine out!).

Elwood - With regard to Canberra WT333 can I assume you have the a/c history published by BARG in "Roundel" pJA04/1985 ?

Cheers, ZF.

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