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RAF VIP Transport

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by Mike » Thu Nov 19, 2015 3:47 pm

martmpf wrote:Don't they lease one out to Thompson's for holiday traffic anyway?

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by martmpf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:08 pm

Thanks Mike, wrong holiday company :'(

An internal VIP passenger fit to an existing passenger fitted A330 seems logical to me. Will arrive in RAF colours instead of BA who fit out for VIP anyway for a Spanish company's profit.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by EGVP » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:16 pm

You've lost me with where BA come in to this, Mart?

I'd imagine AirTanker will sub-contract the interior fitting based on tender, but if they don't it'll probably head back to Tolouse for outfitting there.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by martmpf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:22 pm

EGVP wrote:You've lost me with where BA come in to this, Mart?

I'd imagine AirTanker will sub-contract the interior fitting based on tender, but if they don't it'll probably head back to Tolouse for outfitting there.
I mean that in general when the PM or others arrive at distant destinations, it is generally in a chartered BA aircraft. Hence profit to the Spanish owners.

They do "Fly The Flag"?

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by EGVP » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:24 pm

Ahh, gotcha! I thought you meant that BA would be outfitting the aircraft - got you now! :)

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by Mike » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:25 pm

EGVP wrote:You've lost me with where BA come in to this, Mart?

I'd imagine AirTanker will sub-contract the interior fitting based on tender, but if they don't it'll probably head back to Tolouse for outfitting there.
It could even go to Toulouse (or Finkenwerder). :whistle: :P

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by martmpf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:47 pm

I understand the BA "Government" chartered aircraft for these jobs often are internally refitted for the job, in layout, seat quality and probably partitions/doors. But not a big deal using the existing fittings. They are not equipped with any other special equipment, electronics, I think?

As all the "RAF" A330's tankers are now operated by a private company (Air Tankers), any money spent on a refit of one will make a profit for them, as well as whoever actually does the work. That's what privatisation is! Saves taxpayers money?

Prefer RAF myself.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by TonyO » Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:55 pm

martmpf wrote: Hence profit to the Spanish owners.
IAG is a British company that owns BA and Iberia.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by martmpf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:05 pm

TonyO wrote:
martmpf wrote: Hence profit to the Spanish owners.
IAG is a British company that owns BA and Iberia.
From Wiki, but I believe it is correct:

"Structure and headquarters.

IAG is incorporated in Spain as a Sociedad Anónima, its board meetings are held in Madrid and its tax domicile is in Spain".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ines_Group

The operational headquarters is in London, but that arrangement was part of the carve-up an to satisfy the EU and both governments with regard to merger regulations and monopolies.

That looks Spanish to me!

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by Mike » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:16 pm

The RAF VIP transport has got nothing to do with IAG !

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by martmpf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:26 pm

Reference to BA/IAG was to the existing government VIP charter arrangement, generally with BA.

The current proposal to go to RAF marked but Air Tanker operated A330's does make some sense to me.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by KyleG » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:44 pm

AirTanker operate the civilian registered A330s, the RAF operates the military registered ones (although they are still AirTanker owned).
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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by martmpf » Thu Nov 19, 2015 5:51 pm

KyleG wrote:AirTanker operate the civilian registered A330s, the RAF operates the military registered ones (although they are still AirTanker owned).
Thanks for that clarification KyleG. Do you know if any of the civilian A330's are in RAF markings, are they tankers?

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by EGVP » Thu Nov 19, 2015 6:07 pm

When the Voyager KC.2 or KC.3 is handed back to AirTanker, it has its refuelling equipment removed, its RAF titles removed, an AirTanker logo and titles added, and is registered on the UK civilian register as an A330-243.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by Agent K » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:17 pm

martmpf wrote:
TonyO wrote:
martmpf wrote: Hence profit to the Spanish owners.
IAG is a British company that owns BA and Iberia.
From Wiki, but I believe it is correct:

"Structure and headquarters.

IAG is incorporated in Spain as a Sociedad Anónima, its board meetings are held in Madrid and its tax domicile is in Spain".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... ines_Group

The operational headquarters is in London, but that arrangement was part of the carve-up an to satisfy the EU and both governments with regard to merger regulations and monopolies.

That looks Spanish to me!
IAG is listed on London and Spanish markets, with owners shareholders across Europe and further, QATAR own 10% of IAG, it is symbolically HQ'd in Spain but the real centre is at LHR, as said above. It's no more Spanish than English or otherwise and the largest shareholding is in the UK.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by Snoop 95 » Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:27 pm

Now that the decision is made I hope they do a proper job and give it a smart paint scheme; perhaps something like the VC10's when they were in service as passenger/cargo transports. If I now put my 'realist' hat on I think they probably feel they have been quite adventurous in floating the idea without going too far!

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by Cornish-guy » Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:59 am

They could call it - Cameron Airways the Airline that gives you less and takes more........

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by apgphoto » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:05 am

Any interior conversion will be done by Air Tanker at Brize, just as they did with the TCX conversion

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by plmc135 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 9:06 am

What has this to do with the Strategic Defence Review? The decision has already been announced and has been on the back burners for a considerable time.

No doubt the operation will be similar to that which BA used to use, a section of the plane can be re-configured in a relatively short space of time with kit stored in a nearby warehouse.

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Re: RAF VIP Transport

Post by Wingman_90 » Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:08 pm

Interesting document released this week (via FOIA), when considering the future of the 146s in relation to the new VIP Voyager...
RAF Northolt Sale Preparation: Consultancy Advice Procurement

The Ministry of Defence (MOD), as part of its Asset Management Programme, is seeking advice on a range of options for the future development of RAF Northolt. One of the options that the department is considering is the sale of the site and conversion into a civilian operated airport.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... dacted.pdf
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