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Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Cornish-guy » Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:17 am

News yesterday spoke of an accidental attack on some Syrian Army soldiers buy supposedly NATO planes, and also a strike on a village with civilian's there by again alleged planes but from Russia, also there has been speculation circulating that Russia may try to impose a No Fly zone over areas of Syria, and I guess as Russia was invited in and asked for assistance by the leader of Syria, this would possibly be a real move by Russia?
Just some snippets of news I have read, but it is making the whole Syrian situation like a ten ton explosion waiting to go off in a beer keg - Kaaa-Booooom.

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Sparts99 » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:58 pm

I think these kind of incidents are inevitable, whether they are real, exaggerated or made up the public won't know. The first casualty and so on.

If Russia does impose a no fly zone I'm not sure the legal position for NATO will be clear, although there is a UN mandate to attack ISIS/ISIL/Daesh the Russians would have a field day if NATO intruded into a no fly zone to launch an attack.
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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by the concerned » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:13 pm

I thought that most of Nato coutries no longer recognise assad as the legitimate ruler of Syria

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Cornish-guy » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:37 pm

the concerned wrote:I thought that most of Nato coutries no longer recognise assad as the legitimate ruler of Syria
From what I read he is still the legitimate leader and possibly more popular than what people outside of Syria think.

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Cornish-guy » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:47 am

Just noticed on both FR24 and Plane Plotter - commercial a/c are over flying the south area of Syria roughly level with Cyprus, I would have thought that all of Syria would have been a no fly zone for commercial flights?

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by the concerned » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:51 pm

does anyone know where is the nearest Iraqi airbase to the Syrian border and how far is it

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by POL » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:24 pm

Tall Afar (ORTF) approx 33nm to border
Mosul (ORBM) approx 66nm
Qayyarah (ORQW) approx 80nm
Al Sahra (ORSH) around 115nm

There are likely to be other bases my data doesn't show.

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by the concerned » Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:21 pm

I think it would be good if the western allies could set up some kind of helicopter gunship/spec ops base where they could engage isil along the border of both countries the only main ground troops would be a protection force to guard the base

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Comet102 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:42 pm

EGVP wrote: Tall Afar (ORTF) approx 33nm to border - under ISIL control since June 2014.
Mosul (ORBM) approx 66nm - under ISIL control since June 2014.
Qayyarah (ORQW) approx 80nm - under ISIL control since June 2014.
Al Sahra (ORSH) around 115nm - under Iraqi Govt control

There are likely to be other bases my data doesn't show.
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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by POL » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:35 pm

Thanks, aviation charts don't tell you that!

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Comet102 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:47 pm

EGVP wrote:Thanks, aviation charts don't tell you that!
It's alright I think the original user forgot ISIL are still in Iraq.

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Cornish-guy » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:02 am

A friend told me he had read that Putin has invited Britain, America and co to be present when the black box from the downed jet is opened, apparently although it was found some days ago Putin did not want it open without other countries there to witness the findings from it.
It will be interesting to find out what is on the black box and what that might lead to?

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by welshandy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:22 pm

SU24 black box damaged. Flight info appears to be missing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35130953

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Stroudy » Fri Dec 18, 2015 1:06 pm

Yeah right, like it wasn't opened first with a hammer somewhere else to 'bust it good...

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by C24 » Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:37 am

Or that it is not the original box fitted to the downed aircraft but one that has been prepared to offer data which favours the owner of the aircraft?
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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Gary » Mon Jan 11, 2016 11:41 am

The government has announced the Tornados have used Brimstone in Syria for the first time over the weekend http://news.sky.com/story/1620629/raf-f ... amic-state
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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Supra » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:13 pm

Looking forward to seeing the 'crane' silhouettes on the mission marks! Not exactly 'value for money' use of Brimstone? :O

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Stroudy » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:49 pm

It will be VFM if it stops them re-activating that part of the oilfield, and therefore preventing advance through fuel processing and sales.

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by Vulcanone » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:27 pm

And so what pray tell are the cheaper alternatives to a Brimstone?

Enhanced Paveway II could have been used maybe but I doubt they are actually that much cheaper.

So answers on a post card

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Re: Syrian/Iraq air war and conflict

Post by C24 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:13 am

From a Google search

Brimstone is between £100,000 and £175,000; Paveway (1-2?) is £22,000 per unit.

There appears to be a gap in the market for an inexpensive item performing between a 50 cal (short range) and the costly stand off ones above.

Another illustration of the gap in my 'wide' knowledge of things.
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