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RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby skysearcher » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:01 pm

Thanks Page - interesting to see the rhetoric and soundbites about massive increasing in defense, may not be deliverable.....

on the Fairford issue - this article is interesting: http://www.wiltsglosstandard.co.uk/news ... nts-anchor

check out the responses to the NIMBYS... wonder if a few forum members are amongst the respondents to the NIMBYs???? ;-)
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Cornish-guy » Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:15 pm

I wonder if Fairford will se a fair share of transport types that would have gone into Mildenhall, I understand things will be moving to Germany, but would imagine logistics might still need to brought into the UK, so surely Fairford will be the logical place for this.
Also it seems a bit of a step backwards to base the tankers in Germany adding to the fuel burn if they are used for any Atlantic missions using fighters from the Heath.

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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby baz1 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:23 am

to close or not to close that is the question!?
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Snoop 95 » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:17 pm

Interesting feature on life at both Mildenhall & LAkenheath on the BBC News website. Half way down the article it says 'apparently (the decision to close) is under review, but source for that gem is not disclosed. Maaaybe!
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby ChrisCwmbran » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:37 pm

Snoop 95 wrote:Interesting feature on life at both Mildenhall & LAkenheath on the BBC News website. Half way down the article it says 'apparently (the decision to close) is under review, but source for that gem is not disclosed. Maaaybe!


They do actually give a link - part way through the article:

http://www.buryfreepress.co.uk/news/updated-us-european-command-may-take-another-look-at-closing-raf-mildenhall-1-7921014
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Proteus » Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:12 pm

Sadly that article is dated mid April.....
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Thunder » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:27 am

Cornish-guy wrote:Also it seems a bit of a step backwards to base the tankers in Germany adding to the fuel burn if they are used for any Atlantic missions using fighters from the Heath.


That's where the likes of Prestwick comes into the equation, regularly sees BLUE,CLEAN and REACH flights already.
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby page_verify » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:39 pm

Let's imagine that if Fairford were to get upgraded to support the RC-135 mission, then I'd suggest it's highly likely that other USAF missions will occasionally, or perhaps more so, start using Fairford as well (tankers, special ops, air lift, VIPs etc.) - especially if Mildenhall closes. And while it's a large base, I wonder what that'd mean for RIAT? While I'm sure there's the space for both, the history of RIAT and other large UK shows suggests they don't mix well with regular military operations. I wonder then whether RIAT hosting a second show at Scampton might be the start of something bigger over the next five years? Who knows?
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Thunder » Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:58 pm

No way on Earth would Scampton be able to host a show anywhere near the scale of RIAT. If Fairford was to become unavailable to RIAT then I would suspect that they would relocate back to Boscombe.
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby page_verify » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:03 pm

Good to know, thanks Thunder, I don't know how the base sizes compare.
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby bizfreeq » Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:40 pm

Thunder wrote:No way on Earth would Scampton be able to host a show anywhere near the scale of RIAT. If Fairford was to become unavailable to RIAT then I would suspect that they would relocate back to Boscombe.


Unfortunately with Qinetic now running Boscombe Down I very much doubt that airfield is even close to being an option now
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Spitfire88 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:10 pm

Fairford is getting upgraded, work starts in March, there's no "if"
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby the concerned » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:12 pm

Ironically a good alternative to fairford would be mildenhall
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Thunder » Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:16 pm

bizfreeq wrote:
Thunder wrote:No way on Earth would Scampton be able to host a show anywhere near the scale of RIAT. If Fairford was to become unavailable to RIAT then I would suspect that they would relocate back to Boscombe.


Unfortunately with Qinetic now running Boscombe Down I very much doubt that airfield is even close to being an option now


Everything has it's price, unfortunately that would mean higher prices for the attendees and retailers, which in turn would mean more expensive drinks and burgers.

There isn't really any other alternative to Fairford for RIAT is there,unless Waddington get over their security concerns.
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby page_verify » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:01 pm

It was all just a thought, apologies if it was too deep! I just can't see how when Fairford has several hundred personnel living in the dorms and base housing, along with several USAF and RAF RC-135s flying in and out 24/7, that the base facilities or security requirements lend themselves to hosting a large air show that brings 2,000 air show staff nevermind public on to the site.
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Tronk 11 » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:50 pm

I dont want to put a fly in the ointment but if waddo has security concerns I wonder why fairford doesn't. They both fly RC-135's but waddo has a large security pen to put aircraft into. Fairford doesn't yet?! The US always seem a tad more anxious around security, however the airshow still took place when the ETTF was still deployed to fairford. Size isnt a problem, security might be.
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby page_verify » Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:45 am

Spitfire88 wrote:Fairford is getting upgraded, work starts in March, there's no "if"


Thanks Spitfire88, I hadn't seen any public chatter about when the work at Fairford is going to start.
From similar mutterings I heard that the RC-135 team wants to move to Fairford regardless of what happens to Mildenhall because of the problems operating from there causes them.
If the RC-135 mission is due to have moved to Fairford by 2021, then there's going to be a good 3 years of construction work around the base starting soon......
Like people say, I hope RIAT has a plan!
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby Spitfire88 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 11:19 am

My neighbours works for RIAT and they have said RIAT is going nowhere, the personal build up at Fairford has started already and will continue, with just over
500 USAF personal and 750 family members moving to Fairford plus all the RAF their already and plus the RAF Airseeker personal.
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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby lynx77 » Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:38 pm

page_verify wrote:It was all just a thought, apologies if it was too deep! I just can't see how when Fairford has several hundred personnel living in the dorms and base housing, along with several USAF and RAF RC-135s flying in and out 24/7, that the base facilities or security requirements lend themselves to hosting a large air show that brings 2,000 air show staff nevermind public on to the site.

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Re: RAF Mildenhall to close. Lakenheath to get F-35 by 2020

Postby page_verify » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:06 pm

Ah great, thanks for confirming, do you have a link to the announcement they're not now? I've only seen the article saying they were.
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