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Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by POL » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:36 pm

Seems to work quite well on UKAR, might be handy on here? Obviously there's a lot of stuff that pops up on FR24 that doesn't really warrant a thread of its own, so having it all in one place keeps it tidy, and is easier to refer back to!

Just a thought... :)

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by reheat module » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:17 pm

Seems like a feasible idea to me.
Come on Mods, let's have it going before some antagonist scuttles it
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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by Zymurgy661 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:25 pm

Have raised it with the team, we shall look into

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by powerslave » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:15 am

The thing is with this topic is that FR24 don't like military popping up on the site.so each time someone mentions a Typhoon,Eagle etc with its call sign,they will end up blocking it next time round.
So really I would just keep quiet about what pops up on it from time to time.

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by mushbuster » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:44 pm

Try looking up NASA806 (U2), it has been doing some pretty survey patterns backwards and forwards across California in various areas for a few days

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by EGDR » Wed Jun 04, 2014 10:27 pm

powerslave wrote:The thing is with this topic is that FR24 don't like military popping up on the site.so each time someone mentions a Typhoon,Eagle etc with its call sign,they will end up blocking it next time round.
So really I would just keep quiet about what pops up on it from time to time.

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Well considering how many mil aircraft continue to be posted many times in FR24's own chat room, I'd say they are indifferent unless specifically asked to block them. In fact, I even helped correct some database info with one of the staff regarding the NC-135 that came over a few weeks ago! :thumb:

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by powerslave » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:08 am

I remember when they first started MLAT on FR 24,it was covered with Reach flights,Tornados,Hawks,Typhoons etc.
One by one they all started disappearing,even the Voyagers stopped showing.
At least on Planefinder they are still on.
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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by EGDR » Thu Jun 05, 2014 11:10 am

powerslave wrote:I remember when they first started MLAT on FR 24,it was covered with Reach flights,Tornados,Hawks,Typhoons etc.
One by one they all started disappearing,even the Voyagers stopped showing.
At least on Planefinder they are still on.
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But look over Europe and Australia, full of mil, it seems to me like they were requested specifically to block them.

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by POL » Thu Feb 26, 2015 12:19 pm

Bump - working well on other forums now I see...

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by martmpf » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:15 pm

I have never seen FR24 "disappear" a mill. flight just because somebody mentioned it in FC.

But I understand why some members don't like FR24 being mentioned on FC, believing that it only invites/informs FR24 that mill. are showing.

Probably FR24, PP and Planefinder (and probably others) work to different rules/standards, as do forums.

Some clarification of what is expected on here would be useful.

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by POL » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:38 pm

Example:

UK Ministry of Defence send an official letter (or, more likely, an email) to FlightRadar24 AB and state "We do not wish for our frontline combat aircraft to appear of your flight tracking website, this includes the following types:

EUFI - Euofighter Typhoon
TOR - PANAVIA Tornado
GLEX - Bombardier Sentinel
E3CF - Boeing Sentry
... etc

Please ensure that these flights are not available for the public to view on your website, or action will be taken"

FlightRadar24 AB then begins the arduous task of finding the hex code for every single one of these aircraft, and setting up something in their database that means they aren't displayed (note, displayed and tracked are different!)

However, in the meanwhile, someone else at the MOD decide that, in fact, he doesn't like the hex codes used by the Typhoon fleet so orders them to be changed.

This this causes a problem, because Typhoons are now appearing on FR24 again! Uh oh, the MOD won't like that, and the MOD, FR24 and many other agencies look at this forum. If they didn't see posts on this forum, it's entirely plausible that they wouldn't notice the Typhoons reappearing. End result if we post? No Typhoons. End result if we don't post? Typhoons.

Just an example :)

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by martmpf » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:52 pm

I understand and accept your point.

Surely though, the same would apply to PP and Planefinder for example?

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by EGDR » Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:58 pm

PP is less affected as it is a closed network where the only access is by registration, and it is generally not known of by the general public. However, there are still quite a few aircraft that are blocked from PP.

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by zero_gravity » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:10 pm

I block the a/c on PP and do so on the grounds of security , as and when needed.

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by martmpf » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:21 pm

I would presume then that it is better not to post on FC anything mill. seen on FR24, as it is public and free?

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by Zymurgy661 » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:55 pm

Hyperthetical quesiton -

Where do you draw the line between posting something in the 'i just saw on FR24' thread vs a dedicated thread in the Heads Up section?

Aware that the single thread approach works on some other forums however i don't believe they also have the same level of real time movement monitoring posted as happens on FC.

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by POL » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:31 pm

"I can see four hawks on FR24"

"DRIP77 is in FR24"...thread for it in HU&OTT...FR24 post is moved

That's how I see it anyway :)

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by big john » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:52 pm

Of course you would also have to have another thread for PlaneFinder now they have limited MLAT. :halo: :D
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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by EGDR » Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:00 pm

big john wrote:Of course you would also have to have another thread for PlaneFinder now they have limited MLAT. :halo: :D
I suggest naming it "So, what's wrong in Planefinder's database today?" :P

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Re: Suggestion - "I just saw on FR24..." thread

Post by Zymurgy661 » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:31 pm

EGCC wrote:"I can see four hawks on FR24"

"DRIP77 is in FR24"...thread for it in HU&OTT...FR24 post is moved

That's how I see it anyway :)
The only issue i see there is having to monitor both the FR24 thread and Heads up/OTT as another level of duplication.

Where would you see the FR24 thread being? My first thought would be a sticky in heads up/OTT as thats the place for live tracking

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